Whats a good outdoor/camping setup?

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Hi,
I wanted to know what would be a recommended setup (blade wise) for a backpacking/camping/outdoor setup. I am interested in knowing what you would select and the reasoning behind it (what your going to use it for).

I've read the recent fixed blade posts on what would be some solid choices for fixed blades.
Also, Can anyone comment on a Ka-bar fitting this type of purpose (outdoor work)

I can guess some of you won't recommend that kind of knife for chopping, and some of you probably would disagree with using a large knife for chopping all together.

I've also heard recommendations for carrying a folder as well. What would be the reasoning behind this (some people opt for a SAK, some people seem to want to add it in addition).

I'd like to hear your opinions, thanks.
 
Take a look at the Swamp Rat Camp Tramp. I think it'll fit your needs well. It's a great occasional chop, work in the yard, camp-task knife.

It's a larger knife and works for chopping, but no so big that you feel you're carrying a sword (like the BattleRat), although that's cool too :cool:. It's pretty indestructible, is easy to sharpen, and has a lifetime warranty. And best of all it's reasonably priced.

Swamp Rat Knifeworks is an outstanding company, check them out in the bladeforums manufacturer's forums. Lots of fans.

AdamK
 
Hi SteelGuy,
As you included backpacking in your scenario you have to consider a couple of things; weight counts, access counts.
If you are doing point to point camping/backpacking, then you'll br lugging all your gear with you. Are you packing a stove for cooking or will you be making campfires(are you camping in a cold climate or warm?)? If you don't need to make a campfire then you probably wont need a hatchet. Your best bet would be a 4"-6" stout fixed blade knife, what comes to mind is a Dozier Wilderness knife , Bark River Knife & Tool Northstar, or a Buck Nighthawk. If you want something lighter, get a Dozier.

If you are setting up a base camp and hiking out and back then get a good hatchet and a 4"-6" stout fixed blade knife, what comes to mind is a Dozier Wilderness knife , Bark River Knife & Tool Northstar, or a Buck Nighthawk. If you want something lighter, get a Dozier. :)
 
I went with the camp tramp for this prupose. Its a little bit big for the smaller things so a smaller fixed blade or maybe a folder with it and you're set. The CT will chop, work for cutting back brush, pretty much anything you can think to do with a knife that size it can do and then it will do the things that a knife shouldnt. It comes with a standard nylon over kydex sheath and custom ones are easy to get for it. The handle is the most comfortable handle I have ever felt on a knife and of course the warranty.
 
If you're hoping to hold down cost and weight, a Ka-Bar or a Cold Steel SRK, even a factory second, is great. Carbon steel tough and sharp. A few more bucks brings you into Swamp Rat territory. You could look at the Camp Tramp or even the shorter blades. If you have medium to large hands, take a look at the Becker line, like a BK-7 Combat/utility, designed to replace the Ka-Bar.

I like Bark River. Read this on "Beating on the Highland" and look at the Rogue. I also have a Wilderness Knife, which is designed to be the one and only survival tool you need.

If you are looking to spend more money, Dozier is joined by Chris Reeve, Strider, and Busse. For less, Ontario has some interesting new knives.
 
For general camping/backpacking you would me hard to beat the combo of a Roger Linger Bushcraft Knife and a Mini Gransfors Bruks hatchet. This combo takes up little space, will perform all your wilderness chores and you wont recieve any werid looks from your friend and or passer byes.

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i hiked the Appalachian Trail a couple days ago. i'm part of the Appalachian Trail Comittee, and i was asked to help clean up the trail. this means, some light chopping to keep branches from growing too low acrossed the trail.

i took a Himalayan Imports 12" Ang Khola for this purpose. it carries light, and chops fairly easily. also one of the toughest knives you can buy. especially for the price (usually $100, but can be found in the $40-60 range if you check the For Sale forum here and the Himalayan Imports forum here also). next time i go, i'll probly take their 15" BAS to make the job a little easier.

for other cutting purposes i carried a Benchmade Nimravus 140 with combo edge in 154CM steel. it's just an amazing cutter. an amazing, super-tough, low maintenance, cutter. pricey, but can be found for more modest prices, say, under $100 here on BF.

for precise cutting, and possible splinter-removal, i took my plain edge Spyderco Calypso Jr. it's super-sharp. you can cut the air and open up a dimensional portal with it. also a lockback. a lock i have more faith in than any other lock for wilderness use (call me old fashioned). you can find it for around $40 here on BF.

then comes the SAK. i either carry a Timekeeper, an Explorer Plus, or i go the multi-tool route and carry a Leatherman Thunder/storm. it all depends where i'm going, and for how long. i'd really like to upgrade to a Leatherman Charge Ti with the 154CM blade tho! ;) i personally don't own any of these SAK's except the Timekeeper. i "borrow" them from my father! :D so i can't comment on the money spent there. tho any SAK is a very worthwhile investment.

with that in mind, i've never been on any outdoor adventure and fallen short on tools. my most common excursions are hiking the Appalachian Trail, white water rafting on the Penobscot/Kenebec/Dead Rivers, and camping in the Allagash (site of the famous alien abduction! haha). all of that is done here in Maine. so your geographic mileage may vary.

-Ryan
 
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My personal choice would be three tools. 12 to 14 inch heavy feild knife out of s30v , a 4to6 inch fixed blade made of D2 and a leatherman wave. The two fixed blades would probly be made by myself or Jeff Diotte sheaths by Normark.


Nothing beats a handmade knife. :)

Eat'em and Smile
jimi
 
Myakka, that stag bushcraft you have is absolutely beautiful!! That is one of the nicest stag handles I've ever seen. I have one on order with Roger with green canvas Micarta and am anxious to get it.
Just wondering if you put a secondary bevel on yours or leave it alone? Have you ever skinned any animal with it? Thanks!
 
berettaman12000,


no secondary bevel, I love leaving it with a "0" edge, like a true scandi should be. These knives with S30V steel are easy to touch up and maintain a scary shard edge. As for skinning animals, oh yea! I have cleaned about a hundred or so fish, several squirrells, a few bunny's and a couple wild boar. The Knife performs these task easily and is the "0" edge is the best wood craver I have. Roger makes one hell of a Bushcraft blade. Good luck with yours.

Ron
 
This article bears repeating.....

posted here: http://www.uqac.uquebec.ca/PleinAir/surviki1.htm

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MY CAMPING KNIFE SET

When I was growing up, and even after I was grown, it was common knowledge among Western hunters and outdoorsmen that "a huntin' knife with a four-inch blade is dang well big enough." It was also well known that a man didn't need more than one knife for all his camping chores.

There was a touch of belligerence in those opinions. I think that we were reacting against any hint of flamboyance in our hunting gear, because we were the real Western manly types, and we didn't go huntin' except to lay in our winter meat, by #@&*! No Hollywood showoff Bowie knives around our camps!

I lived and roughed it by that ethic for more years than I care to count. At the same time, I indulged a fancy for owning (not using!) various big and exotic kinds of knives. I collected or made quite a number.

Over the course of many years, as I hunted less (I don't hold with killing animals when you don't have to) but spent more time in the out-of-doors, I found increasing need for specialized cutting tools. Sometimes I was inconvenienced by having only a small belt-knife in my gear; sometimes I faced real emergencies.

Gradually it began to soak into my skull that

a) four-inch blades are NOT always enough, and
b) you need more than one kind of knife when out in the wilderness.

The above is now common knowledge among outdoorsmen West, East, and everywhere else, and I suspect that a man who made a point of getting by with only one small knife would be considered kinda peculiar, even a bit of a showoff.

When you're at home, you can hoard tools to your heart's content, if not your wallet's, and it's not a bad idea to do so. Many a time I've faced a fixup or handycraft dilemma and exclaimed "If I ONLY had a pot-fid! WHY didn't I buy that scrimgag riffler when I had a chance?" Then I add one or two #@&*!s and head for the hardware store.

But on a backpack or even a canoe trip, things are different. You can take only a minimum number of tools. Every ounce has to be justified. You must weigh the chances of needing a particular implement against the burden of lugging it wherever you go. You must face the fact that some things can't be
improvised.

Experience has taught me to pack a basic set of four knives on wilderness trips. If I don't take all four, I face the possibility of needing one (badly) that I don't have. I seldom require a tool that these four don't supply. But these I need:

1) A Swiss army knife
2) A Finnish puukko
3) A Buck Special
4) A kukri

The Swiss Army Knife

This is cheating a little, because Swissies are small tool kits, not just knives. That's right, I'm cheating a little. When I first went camping with a Swiss army knife, I thought, What the heck, maybe this little thing will come in handy. At the end of the first four days, I'd used every implement on it, in earnest. Any make or model of Swiss army knife big enough to include scissors and tweazers is adequate. I can get along out in the woods without hobby saws or magnifying glasses, but I've got to have those awls, scissors,
tweazers, and so forth.

Like any combination tool, the Swiss army knife is a compromise, but it's sturdy enough to answer most purposes. Also, those two small blades can be sharpened and honed to delicate razor edges and kept for fine work that bigger knives can't do.

Because it's often used to prepare food, and may have to do service in minor surgery, it's important to keep a Swiss army knife clean. I soak mine frequently, with all the blades open, in hot soapy water, finishing with a rinse in boiling water. Then I sun-dry it, still open, to discourage bacteria.

Needless to say, I carry my Switzer on a three-foot leather thong lanyard that never leaves my belt. That way, I always have my best tool close at hand.

The Finnish Puukko

Finnish what? "Small belt-knife" translates the word puukko nicely, and a nice little tool it is. The Finns and Lapps have been toting knives through the subarctic wilderness since before there was iron, and they've worked out a nearly perfect pattern for a utility knife and scabbard. Mine is a slightly modernized version adapted for mass production by Tapio Wirkkala, the Finnish designer. It was made in two models by the Hackmann company, and sold well until, for some reason, it was discontinued in December of 1987. It has a three and one-quarter inch blade with a straight back. The cutting edge features a subtle combination of straight and curved portions which suit it to slicing, skinning, and chipping. If you can't get an example of this dandy little Hackmann, invest in one of the many similar puukkot imported from Finland.

The knife is carried in the full-length open-throat leather scabbard characteristic of Finnish knives -- even Wirkkala couldn't improve on that design, except to substitute a hardened nylon liner for the traditional bone. The beauty of this type of scabbard is in its simplicity: no keeper to fumble with, just drop your knife in when you're done with it. Because the handle of the knife and the mouth of the scabbard have matching tapers (always design your knife and scabbard as a unit), gravity is enough to seat the knife securely; mine has never dropped out. The scabbard originally came with a twisted thong belt-loop. Time and use eventually wore that away, and I replaced it with a foot of leather thong, one end tied firmly to the scabbard and the other end knotted in a loop. When I need my puukko with me, I simply slip the loop down through my belt, pass the scabbard through the loop, tug the thong tight, and thar she be.

Like all old-time Westerners (and Finns), I carry my knife behind my right hip with the scabbard tucked in the pocket of my jeans. This is far and away the safest place to wear a knife. When I want to use the knife, I start it out of the scabbard with thumb and forefinger; many puukkot even have a German silver horsehead on the pommel to assist in drawing it this way.

I must do fifty percent of my camp chores with my lovely little Finnish belt-knife.

The Buck Special

Everybody wants to own a Buck knife. Everybody should. Buck makes just about the best line of folding and belt knives in the U.S., if not the world. However, I've always found one fault with most of their models: the handles are too small in diameter. This is the weakness of practically all American hunting knives of the older generation, and was my father's chief complaint about the Marble, Western, and other brands we carried -- that and the cheapness of the scabbards.

Wellsir, Buck has fixed all that. Their Special has a six-inch blade and a generous, gently finger-notched handle that together suit it to just about any job a medium-sized knife can do. The thick spine of the blade gives plenty of strength, especially for woodworking, while the deeply hollow-ground edge cuts efficiently and can be sharpened to a keenness that does your heart good.

Because I'm picky, I'm not entirely satisfied with the shape of the Special's blade: the last two inches of the edge curve steeply upward to an almost flamboyantly raised point. Mr. Buck no doubt intends this for skinning; well, maybe you could use it for that in a pinch, but as you and I know, a skinning knife is a specialized tool, and needn't find a place in your gear if you're not going hunting. If the point was located nearer the centerline of the blade, this would be a handier knife for certain kinds of fine work; but I'm not yet ready to hold a $40 dollar knife against a grindstone, so I'll continue to use it as is.

The guard of the Special is just big enough to prevent your hand from slipping onto the blade, and not so big as to interfere with your work. The handle is made of that lovely black synthetic that Buck has used for many years. This can get slippery in use, but because the handle is fairly large and well-contoured, you won't lose control.

The scabbard is a heavy leather proposition with a big snap keeper. The bead or cut-strip is made of a rubbery synthetic. Because the blade of the knife flares slightly at the beginning of the curve, there's a pronounced hangup at the mouth of the scabbard just before the knife is fully drawn; it takes a deliberate effort to pull the Special all the way out, or to resheath it. This is a dandy safety feature and I'm all for it, but it makes this an awkward knife to carry behind your hip. For that reason, I usually haul my Buck in my gear rather than carry it around on my belt.

Perhaps someday I'll 1) modify the blade and 2) build a full-length throated scabbard for it; the pommel is the familiar single-lobed shape that would suit the knife perfectly for drawing from a Finnish-style sheath.

Take care of a Buck knife and your great-grandchildren will still be using it.

The Kukri

What in the Sam Hill is a feller from Wyoming doing with a chopper from Nepal? Answer: using it to clear brush, cut grass, freshen blazes, trim poles, gather fir tips for bedding, fell good-sized trees if necessary, and do a lot of other things that an ordinary slasher will do only half as well. I've even been known to turn it over and drive tent pegs with the back of the blade, an unwise procedure with most knives, but one that's never damaged any of my kukris one bit.

A good kukri is much safer and more efficient than a hatchet, and smaller and more versatile than a machete. It's no accident that the British Army and the RAF issue kukris for jungle service.

I'll admit that I first tried one because I'm partial to exotic blades, but now a kukri seems as homey as a coffee-pot on my camping trips, and almost as vital.

Some knife-makers in the U.S. currently offer their idea of a kukri for sale, and while these may be good designs, the price is wrong. Indian-made kukris are available at modest cost from mail order outlets in this country, or you can send one dollar to the folks at Doon Steelworks in Dehradun, India (that's all the address you need; the Indian Postal Service is wider awake than ours) and receive their catalog. It lists several models of kukri for staggeringly low prices.

Doon may still be able to offer you a World War One-era Indian Army surplus kukri. If so, order two, one to hang on the wall as an antique, the other to polish up and carry on wilderness journeys. These are big kukris with thirteen-inch blades, the best ones can be beautifully balanced and finely ground; after seventy-odd years, the edges are still keen. Equally important, the hardwood handles are large and well proportioned. They did these things right, in the days of the Raj.

Alternatively, my choice for a packing kukri is the ordinary modern enlisted man's model, preferably with a wooden rather than a horn handle. This is a hefty enough knife for almost any job: a foot long in the blade and over a pound in weight.

The heavy-duty imported kukris frequently offered in this country are a bit too bulky for my arm, and the edges are not ground for efficient cutting. If you acquire one of these, consider regrinding the blade to remove a LOT of metal. Be prepared also to reshape the handle, since these are often crude and over-large. In the main, the modern Indian-made heavy-duty kukri gives the impression of being more raw material than finished knife.

I carry my kukri lashed to my pack, never on my belt; the scabbards are light but bulky, and too much trouble to wear. (They look a tad Hollywoody, too.) In camp, the sheathed kukri can stay with my pack or travel with me when I walk into the timber to cut a pole. For safety, I keep that heavy, sharp blade sheathed unless I'm actually swinging it.

The handle of the modern enlisted man's kukri is a bit small in diameter (that old shortcoming!) and may tire your hand and/or become slippery with extended use. A good trick in this case is to wrap the handle with a strip of towel. This will increase the diameter for better control, cushion your hand against shock, and soak up sweat without growing slick.

Besides Those Knives

When I was a boy, we all learned this lesson early: A dull knife is no knife at all. During hunting season, every male in Big Horn, Wyoming sported a shaven left forearm from testing the edge of his knife, except my father, who was left-handed and therefore kept his north forearm smooth.

If I'm travelling farther than the mouth of the driveway, I take a pocket carborundum stone with me. This is very light and very small, and many people would find it inadequate for keeping blades sharp on a hiking trip. After a lifetime of use, I've learned to make do with these little stones by using them frequently to touch up an edge, rather than for heavy-duty sharpening of a badly dulled knife. In other words, I've learned that I have to maintain my cutting tools.

The same kind of attention should be given to your scabbards, since a knife and its sheath are in fact a unit. Examine your scabbards frequently, looking for wear and damage. Dress the leather the way you'd dress your boots. Give particular attention to your scabbard's security; if it doesn't seem capable of keeping your knife snugly at home, improvise or make repairs on the spot. If your knife-sheath lacks an efficient keeper, don't hesitate to tie the knife in place with twine or thong; it's better to put up with a little inconvenience of this sort than to reach for a blade that's lying on the ground miles down the trail.

But don't overdo the quest for security with your belt-knives. A lanyard for this type of tool is a bad idea, first because it constantly gets in the way of your work, and second because, if a tethered knife slips out of your hand or scabbard, it at once becomes a swinging, whirling lethal menace.

A wrist-loop, however, can be very handy, because it allows you to release your knife without having to put it down -- a labor-saving wrinkle when you're cleaning fish or cooking. But don't carry your belt-knife in an exposed scabbard with the wrist-loop attached. Sooner or later, a branch will get caught in the loop and hook the knife right out of the scabbard, and you'll walk off and leave it dangling in the wind, perhaps in the middle of a tangle of chokecherry bushes where Jim Bridger himself could never find it.

With the four tools described above, I'm equipped with a suite of small implements including two delicate blades for fine tasks, a handy light knife for the majority of chores, a robust medium blade for rough jobs, and a powerful whacker to deal with the drastic stuff. I know that these aren't enough to deal with Mom Nature's ultimate tricks; nothing man-made can do that; but I feel ready to face the old girl with a smile and a few tricks of my own.


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Daniel,
Great read, thanks for sharing. I agree with the artical one knife can do it all. I'm a big fan of Nessmuk. George Sears "Nessmuk"; wrote many outdoor articles & Books on the outdoors & camping. He believed the ideal wildeness tools were a combination of the follow three items.

Pocket-axe "double-barreled"

Strong double-bladed pocket knife

Sheath Knife
Thin blade, handy for skinning, cutting meat, and eating with.

Ron
 
After years of hunting/camping, dozens and dozens of knife combos, I have found a set that meets all my requirements.
A Dozier pro skinner, and Ontario SP6 (8 1/2" 1095).
I also trade the Dozier out occasionally for my BM 140 (154cm).
There are many good combos out there, but for a large camp knife, it is hard to beat an Ontario.
They are cheap (price) and extremely rugged knives meant to be used hard.
The new Ontario RTAK (10" 1095) would fit the bill also, and can be had for under $80 brand new/delivered.

I find the larger knife in the Large/small camp combo. to be the most important of the two knives.
Any knife can do the small tasks, but not all large knives are up to the task of very hard use.
I have 3 Ontarios, and have put them through things that no knife should go through.
The blades have never chipped out, tips are still intact, and they will sharpen to a very keen edge (hair shaving).
For the money, I think they are one of the best bargains on the planet.
 
Here is another great article on the subject of choosing an outdoor/backpacking knife

Choosing an Outdoorsman’s Knife​
Dr. Terry M. Trier​


The outdoorsman’s knife, by its very name, conjures up images of those who would wield such blades. Rugged, independent individuals of a bygone era, clad in wool shirts and trousers, perhaps wearing wide-brimmed felt hats. Canoeing, hunting, fishing, pathfinding, and campcraft were their stock and trade, plied in the northwoods or southern mountains and wooded valleys of North America. They were at home in the outdoors, living there for weeks or even months at a time, camping in a trackless wilderness, summer or winter, and thriving in comfort under conditions less adventurous souls considered intolerable. Perhaps they were trappers, prospectors, guides, naturalists, or timber cruisers, or just hardy, adventurous individualists, filled with wanderlust and fleeing the crowded cities in search of a rapidly vanishing frontier. Whatever their provenance, it is clear that they were highly skilled in the outdoors, and could survive in wilderness for extended periods of time while traveling with only the most basic of tools, the outdoorsman’s knife being one of their most prized possessions.



When we talk of an outdoorsman’s knife, we are generally referring to a fixed-blade knife, although it is clear that this was not the only edged tool the outdoorsmen of yesteryear carried. Most outdoorsmen–often referred to as woodsmen–also carried some kind of a jack knife, an axe and a saw. Many also carried something called a “crooked knife,” which is a knife with a curve in it that is used for woodcarving. Additionally, a firearm–usually a rifle–and some fishing gear were essential elements of their kit. With these sophisticated tools of the trade, food, shelter, and comfort were easily obtained by the experienced woodsman. Note that most of these individuals likely could have survived with much less and many were well-schooled in the so-called “primitive” technology of indigenous peoples. But they were practical in their habits and valued what technology was available at the time to enhance their comforts in the wild. This was also a day and age of Abercrombie and Fitch, which, for the greater part of the 20th century, specialized in providing professional outdoorsmen with the finest outdoor gear available, from tents to double-barreled rifles. Theodore Roosevelt, Robert Peary, Ernest Hemingway, and many other famous sportsmen bought hunting, fishing, and camping equipment from Abercrombie and Fitch, and outdoor sportsmen in general usually had access to well-made equipment, including edged tools.


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Woodsmen rely on their knives for critical tasks. The ability to make dry tinder by shaving fine curls on a piece of wood–the so-called fuzz stick–could be essential for starting a fire during prolonged wet spells. The Swedish Mora, with its single bevel grind, is well designed for the job.


Although dignitaries like Roosevelt and Hemingway are familiar to us all, the most skilled outdoorsmen of the late 19th and early 20th century were not as famous but often well-known by sportsmen through the magazine articles and books they wrote that heavily influenced a generation of wilderness travelers during the 20th century. The three most notable are Nessmuk (George Washington Sears), Horace Kephart, and Calvin Rutstrum, all of whom have books still in print, a true testimonial not only to their wonderful writing skills, but also to the endurance of their outdoor wisdom. Both Nessmuk and Kephart were true “turn of the century” outdoorsmen, while Rutstrum, born in 1895, was a more “modern” outdoorsman, and this is reflected in the title of one of his many books, The New Way of the Wilderness, first published in 1958. Still, much of Rutstrum’s methods differed little from those practiced by Nessmuk and Kephart. And one can readily see this by looking at the characteristics they deemed important for selecting an outdoorsman’s knife.



One of the ways we can characterize on outdoorsman’s knife is by what it isn’t. Nessmuk, in Woodcraft and Camping wrote: “A word as to knife or knives. These are of prime necessity, and should be of the best, both as to shape and temper. The “bowies” and “hunting knives” usually kept on sale, are thick, clumsy affairs, with a sort of ridge along the middle of the blade, murderous-looking, but of little use; rather fitted to adorn a dime novel of the belt of “Billy the Kid,” than the outfit of the hunter.”



Kephart, a great admirer of Nessmuk, echoed his sentiments in his classic book on the outdoors, Camping and Woodcraft: “The conventional hunting knife is, or was until recently, of the familiar dime-novel pattern invented by Colonel Bowie. It is too thick and clumsy to whittle with, much too thick for a good skinning knife, and too sharply pointed to cook and eat with. It is always tempered too hard. When put to the rough service for which it is supposed to be intended, as in cutting through the ossified false ribs of an old buck, it is an even bet that out will come a nick as big as a saw-tooth –and Sheridan forty miles from a grindstone!” Rutstrum was also a fan of thin-bladed knives and wrote the following in his book Paradise Below Zero: “Avoid the thick, chisel-edged knife. The most efficient blade has a flat, continuous grind from edge to spine, the blade not too thick.” Rutstrum was especially fond of the Marbles “Expert,” the original version of this knife being ground from fairly thin stock. Kephart favored the Marbles Woodcraft pattern, while Nessmuk’s knife was similar, but with a rounded hump on the spine an inch or so back from the tip, convenient for gutting a large game animal without cutting the viscera.



In general, then, the “old timey” outdoorsmen favored a thin bladed knife for every-day carry. It was not the thick bladed “chopper” so often promoted as a survival knife by many survival buffs today. For chopping, the woodsmen favored a hatchet or axe. The outdoorsman’s knife was reserved as a fine cutting instrument and had to be capable of doing a variety of tasks in the field such as slicing bread, vegetables and meat, field dressing and butchering large and small game, and woodcraft. Most also preferred a knife of carbon steel that was lightweight, tempered hard but not brittle, held a good edge, but was still soft enough for quick and easy sharpening in the field.



Much has changed since the days of Nessmuk. New, high-quality stainless steels and sophisticated heat treating and cryogenic tempering have led to a wider assortment of high quality knife blades to choose from. But the basic fundamentals in knife design are still often preferred by many modern outdoorsmen.



For example, Cliff Jacobson, a well-known northwoods canoeist and outdoorsman, wrote the following in 1987 in his book, Camping’s Top Secrets: “Nearly all knives sold for outdoor use have blades which are too thick. One-eighth of an inch across the spine is the maximum thickness permissible for a utility knife, no matter how delicate the edge. Try slicing a tomato with the typical “hunting” knife and you’ll see why!” Wilderness survival experts like Mors Kochanski and Ray Mears prefer thin-bladed knives of Scandinavian design. They are usually ground with a single wide bevel, making them excellent wood carving knives. Kochanski prefers a blade that is “from two and a half to three millimetres thick and about two to two and a half centimetres wide.” Kochanski often carries an inexpensive Swedish Mora as his blade of choice. Like the outdoorsmen of yesteryear, both Kochanski and Mears prefer short blades not exceeding six inches.


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Some of the author’s favorite thin-bladed knives for outdoor use: From left to right: Camillus Simonich Talon, Marttiini Lapinleuku, Gerber Yari, Helle Harding, Dozier Professional Guides Knife, Marbles Woodcraft, Chang Wenge Hunter.


No matter what kind of knife you decide to carry when you are traveling in the outdoors, it is important to consider carefully the kinds of activities you will be pursuing. Obviously, if you are hunting deer in a local wood lot, you will prefer a knife optimized for field dressing. If you are clearing trails or shooting lanes for hunting, a chopping blade of some type may be in order. But if you are considering a trip into a remote wilderness, where you often must travel light, and versatility is at a premium to minimize weight, it may be worth your while to consider carefully the advice of the early outdoorsmen who traveled regularly and extensively in the wilds of North America. As long as there are vast tracts of wilderness still available for exploring, most of what they had to say is still relevant for the outdoorsmen of today and tomorrow.
 
Hi there!

I would say you need two or three "knives", depending on where you are going, and how much weight you can carry.

First and most important, a multitool is allways useful, even out in the woods or in the mountains. The pliers can be used for a variety of things. I would recomend leatherman wave or charge.

Second, a folding knife or smaller fixed blade. No serrated blade, but a good quality knife. Fallkniven S1 or Doug Ritter's RSK Mk1, by benchmade are two options here.

And third, this one is optional, I would recomend a hatchet, like gransfors bruks, as someone else mentioned in this thread. They outperform a knife when it comes to chopping wood, cutting trees and everything a large knife would be useful to.

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I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think my ideal setup would be my EDC folder (Benchmade AFCK) for small-knife stuff, and then something in a 6-7 inch for most other knife stuff. I'm thinking something along the lines of a Swamp Rat Satin Rat, or possibly the Camp Tramp. The CT is more of a "bigger" knife, and would be better for chopping, but the SR would be a little less heavy.

As opposed to the hatchet that most people seem to be recommending, I would probably go with a Silky folding saw of some description, probably in about an 8" blade. You can't use it as a hammer, but it's just as fast (or faster) than a hatchet at larger-sized wood disassembly and much less likely to maim you if you screw up using it. It's also considerably lighter, and more sheeple-friendly.
 
FoxholeAtheist,

Those folding saws work great, I have a Sandvik Lapander Folding Saw and I love it. I also have a Swamp Rat Camp Tramp and its a great production work horse. :D

Both are good choices, but I still prefer to carry a 4" fixed blade.
 
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Ebb-Muk
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As with anything else, there is no 'one tool does it all' wonder knife.

For years I camped with a Schrade Sharpfinger and a folding bow saw (SvenSaw).
Then I found the internet forums :eek:

2 axes and some big blades later...I'm having even more fun :D
The axe pictured is a Gransfors Mini. I really recommend the Gransfors Small Forest Axe. Not too big & not to small.
My Martindale Golok is lots of fun too.

Why limit yourself to just one knife?
 
Flask28 said:
Take a look at the Swamp Rat Camp Tramp. I think it'll fit your needs well. It's a great occasional chop, work in the yard, camp-task knife.

It's a larger knife and works for chopping, but no so big that you feel you're carrying a sword (like the BattleRat), although that's cool too :cool:. It's pretty indestructible, is easy to sharpen, and has a lifetime warranty. And best of all it's reasonably priced.

Swamp Rat Knifeworks is an outstanding company, check them out in the bladeforums manufacturer's forums. Lots of fans.

AdamK


Ct and Howling Rat make an excellent combo. So does the Hr and the larger BR, but the CT/HR is my favorite. EXCELLENT knives!

Rob
 
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