What's the best lock type for a waved folder?

[Charlie Mike]

Constant waving can be hard on a knife, harder than inertial openings. I believe that CS Tri-ad lock would be tied with the Reeve (frame) lock. Perhaps the Tri-ad might be even better since it is self adjusting.

My waved medium Espada is my go-to knife and has been for over a month. I have been waving it hard and there is still no slop in the action or lock up.

 

[mongomondo]

I don't feel hesitation when I wave my CQC12 with the framelock. When I have my mini commander or cqc8 I tend not to wave it.

 

[marthinus]

i am between the axis and lockback. But think the axis might be better, because say if the lock was to fail one could push a stick or something behind the locking bar. I just really like lockbacks though and think spyderco's are one of the best. So jip...difficult.

 

[THG]

I'd say the Tri-Ad. It's got compression lock-like features except it uses the smooth backlock concept vs the grinding liner lock concept. And I say better than the Axis Lock because I've heard about Omega Springs breaking due to constant flicking. Waving would obviously be worse than flicking.

 

[batosai117]

If it ain't broke don't fix it Frame locks all the way for me :thumbup:

The Axis wouldn't be too great to use with a wave as the lock gets snagged on pocket lips and can accidentally prematurely open the blade before you want it to.

Just my .02

 

[tsuba]

I want a wave for open my knife, and an axis to close it... it would be fast and cool :jerkit:

 

[mongomondo]

I want a wave for open my knife, and an axis to close it... it would be fast and cool :jerkit:

Put some zip ties in the hole of the sheepsfoot griptilian.

 

[ColonelX]

Put some zip ties in the hole of the sheepsfoot griptilian.

thats exactly what i did to both of mine

 

[RatDrall]

I have both a waved Spyderco Endura (lock back) and a few Emersons (liner locks) and neither has given me any problems.

I don't think it's so much an issue with lock styles as it is with quality, and anything from Spyderco or Emerson is going to work just fine.

 

[pvicenzi]

I guess a waved fixed blade makes no sense.

 

[Lycosa]

P---Nope!
The Axis lock would last the longest...less wear.

 

[Midget]

lockback all the way. spyderco does it best-- i wish lockbacks were more mainstream in "higher" end knives.

i've had higher end linerlocks and they wore out prematurely.

i've had higher end framelocks and they wore out prematurely.

i still have my spyderco "dragonfly" lockback, my first knife, and the lock is tight and reliable.

i carry my waved-endura all the time and never had an issue.




oh and ps i've had the omega spring on an axis lock break too. the lock mechanism still worked, as there was two of them, so that's a plus.

lockback is the only locking system i've had that has gone the distance.

 

[Charlie Mike]

Would you consider the Cold Steel lock a type of lockback?

 

[Peter Parker]

Even though it probably want happen I voted Axis lock. The funny thing is if I make the effort I can wave open my 735 and 943 using the thumb studs but it's real hard on the pocket!

 

[STR]

My Waved HK 14205 BenchMade Waves easier and more reliably than anything else I own and I've found its far easier on pockets too but I'm not sure why. Maybe the silky smooth action helps or it may be that I just rounded the edge on the Wave hook better so it doesn't tear or cut into the corner as bad.

I like my CQC12 and 7A fine and I use them both. If I had to give the edge I'd vote Axis. It holds up better to the more violent slams too.

STR

 

[Absintheur]

I like the liner lock on my new custom karambit...it is very secure and has great lock up engagement. It is also a very think liner, and engages fully on the blade. This is key in either a frame or liner lock, there has to be complete engagement of the locking surfaces.

 

[marthinus]

Absintheur

Where can we get more pictures of that karambit! that looks awesome!

 

[Planterz]

I don't own any knife that can "wave" open, and I probably never will; not my style. But speaking from an engineering standpoint, I'd say linerlocks will wear out the first, followed by framelocks. The linerlock is obviously the weakest, but the forceful action of waving it open will make it more secure than simply thumbing it open. But of course, wear will be greatly accelerated. Lockbacks are probably the best that exist in actual knives. An AXIS lock that can be waved open will probably be the king, since the mechanics, stresses, and eventual wear of the lock will hold up the best over time. But short of modding or adding a zip-tie, no such knife exists yet.

Disclaimer: I have no idea what the CS Triad lock is, or how it works. The simple fact that it's a CS knife means that it's off my radar and I don't care.

 

[Charlie Mike]

I might have to do a BM Rukus project...

... and a Spyderco Chinook too

 

[THG]

But of course, wear will be greatly accelerated. Lockbacks are probably the best that exist in actual knives.

The only problem I see with lockbacks locking waved blades is that there is a lot of force against the actual locking mechanism: the tang is always going to clack against the bar. In a compression or Axis Lock, though, the tang is always going to be hitting a non-moving piece: the stop pin. I think this is better than hitting the actual lock bar of a backlock.

An AXIS lock that can be waved open will probably be the king, since the mechanics, stresses, and eventual wear of the lock will hold up the best over time. But short of modding or adding a zip-tie, no such knife exists yet.

The only problem I see with the BM Axis is the springs. With such fast deployment of the blade, the speed at which the lock pin and therefore springs are going to move will be greatly increased, and when it "hits" the "done moving" position, there will be a lot more force (decelerating from a high speed to zero in such a short period of time = much more force).

Disclaimer: I have no idea what the CS Triad lock is, or how it works. The simple fact that it's a CS knife means that it's off my radar and I don't care.

It's basically the compression lock of lockbacks. I'd use this as an analogy:

liner lock : compression lock :: backlock : triad lock

You should care, because cold steel or not, the Espada held over 600 lbs!