What's wrong with Vista?

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/08/microsoft.ballmer/index.html

Can someone please explain these sentences to me?

"...The news suggests the world's largest software maker may be giving up efforts to rehabilitate its often-maligned Vista operating system.."

"...Without mentioning the security and compatibility issues that have dogged Vista, Ballmer promised that Windows 7 will make PCs faster and easier to use...."

Had this computer for almost a year with no problems.

What's the deal?

Thanks.
 
You're one of the lucky few. Count yourself blessed. Vista has been an absolute abortion for most of the larger organizations that adopted it. It's a fine example of outsourcing your work to the lowest possible bidder.
 
The biggest and the best (Vista, Walmart, etc.) will always attract whiners, but the the only real prob that Vista has is that its a RAM hog. If you have at least 2mb of RAM, and preferably 4 or 6, you are good to go. Just sitting there doing nothing, Vista eats 1mb of RAM.

Just as you have already proven to yourself.


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Hi Powernoodle,

Have you tried to set up a remote access VPN to one of the new Cisco ASA 8.0 boxes? How about set up a remote session over port 80 like something with Webex or GotoMyPC? Have you noticed what happened when your MacAfee virus scanner tried to update? Or perhaps you tried to administer a Cisco 3030 VPN Concentrator with it? What about a softphone on the desktop? What, some schmuck put in a CR to upgrade the entire call center without checking with us?! Hey, here's a thought, let's try to use it to pull up a Call Manager 6.0 admin page...

Whoops. Everything's offline? The whole telecom infrastructure came tumbling down? Every VPN tunnel refuses to clear ISAKMP?! Your softphone crashed?

You wanna talk to some of the poor bastards I know who still have to try to cobble this steaming pile into something usable? Their alcohol consumption is exceeded only by the bitterness of their bitching... :-)
 
SJ,

A lot of people believe that Vista got security plain wrong by creating standards that are too broad or too narrow. Under certain settings, the user is prompted every time certain classes of data are sent (this is annoying). Under others, the user is never prompted (this is unsafe).

Not many people appreciated the tiers of Vista - for 1 dollar, you get this, for 100, you get that, etc. It was confusing to the consumer and many ended up with more or less than they needed.

Another popular criticism was that many peripheral devices were not able to run on Vista - so, for example, the printer, scanner, and digital camera that worked with your old computer don't work anymore with Vista, which bothered many.

As a disclaimer, I use a PC and Mac equally, but prefer the Mac - that being said, the PC always gets the job done for me, too :)

And, if you haven't had any problems....no worries!
 
powernoodle said:
The biggest and the best (Vista, Walmart, etc.) will always attract whiners, but the the only real prob that Vista has is that its a RAM hog. If you have at least 2mb of RAM, and preferably 4 or 6, you are good to go. Just sitting there doing nothing, Vista eats 1mb of RAM.
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An Operating System should not hog 1Gb of RAM on its own. Surprisingly people don't care or question the ridiculous system resource requirements of windows, which will take away from the programs that will really need them. As a result, you paid for a computer you cannot use fully, because Microsoft cannot be bothered to optimize Windows. Couple that with numerous flaws, security risks and general goofups, and you have a real winner.

You would get pissed off if you bought a Porsche and it could only go 45mph, wouldn't you?
 
Everything. Every feature is just that, a feature. something that goes well on a sale flyer. My buddy bought his first comp ever (he's 34) arguably right in the "Vista Target" market. its caused nothing but problems. Vista tried to be all things to all people, and failed. It was marketed well before it was ready, and as such most "vista ready" machines can't handle it because it moved past them in the bloating that was its development. and it is only superficially user friendly. I spent over an hour trying to pull files over our LAN from my XP machine with no avail. And to top it off, it cannot read a .AVI file. all I can say to that is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!
 
http://www.xkcd.com/

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I'm sticking with XP Pro. After that, I may go with a Mac.
 
The biggest and the best(vista,walmart....etc) are resource hogs that abuse and degrade the very public they purportedly are meant to serve. Heck yeah i'd be pissed if i shelled out good money for either and got the (dis)service these two things bring to our lives. Darn glad it didn't buy into either companies Agenda.

OTOH... i sit here with my 10 year old computer and it's obsolete Windows XP happily navigating the 'net with all my peripherals in working order and well used, while the people around me who've upgraded or bought from walmart spend most of their time trying to get Vista or their peripherals to cooperate or buy things elswhere thanks to chinese made junk.
 
I'm on a lot of different gaming boards. You will not hear much in the way of praise for Vista from gamers. In many cases, favorites won't run at all, crash constantly, or require the user to jump through many hoops.
The RAM thing is just silly. Standard saying among gamers..."If you were running 2 gigs of RAM...Better go to four."
Already MS is talking up "Seven"....The new one.
 
What's wrong with Vista? It's not OS X or Linux..............or XP for that matter:D
 
At my work there are several issues:

- Aforementioned VPN problems

- Many of our inhouse apps don't work on vista

- Several of bought applications don't work on vista

- We don't have the desire to go and try and fix stuff that already works on XP

- problems with java application support

- We on a 5 year cycle for PC replacement, we just got new PC's last year, even if we wanted to go to vista, we'd need upgraded PC's across the board ($$$)

If all you do is run a browser and word you'll probably be OK with vista, but if you're doing more serious stuff it's a problem.
 
I am sure that the wild success of the iPod and iPhone has had something to do with Apple more than doubling their share of the U.S. computer market over the last few years, but the Vista fiasco probably didn't hurt either.:D
 
Their recent "Mojave" ad campaign should tell you what a bad experience Vista has been for them. That's what they get for making a cheap-ass copy of OSX.
 
powernoodle said:
The biggest and the best (Vista, Walmart, etc.) will always attract whiners, but the the only real prob that Vista has is that its a RAM hog.
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While such a phenomenon may play out in the consumer market (player haters, ha), the business market is another arena. Others in this thread have put it in far better detail than I could, but it certainly says something to me when Fortune 500 companies avoid it like the plague. My employer is within the top 30 of that list and has been "evaluating" Vista since its release. To my knowledge it has not been approved for release on a single production computer to date at our company: just testing machines.

I could be wrong: maybe they rolled it out in one of our international offices, but I highly doubt it and certainly have not heard about it. I know our IT guys had a hell of enough of a time configuring our remote computing software to work with employees who had Vista at home. I'm not familiar with the technical aspects of that, but I'm sure thermocline and DaveH pretty much nailed most (if not all) of it.

My area runs our computers hard. You can bet that if there were significant gain in Vista that outweighed its shortcomings, we would have adopted it by now.

The "everyone is just hating on the best" argument might hold water if we were still in the early deployment of Vista, but it has been around since late 2006. Every new OS is met with some resistance at first, but with a good OS that subsides. Otherwise, why wasn't everyone bashing on XP up until the point that Vista came along?

Yes, I know that plenty of people don't like XP and it has its problems, but honestly most of those people aren't Windows users at all. Do you know anyone who refused to upgrade from Windows ME to Windows XP all this time? Ha! That's exactly what's happening with the bridge from XP to Vista though.

It doesn't make any sense for someone to be a 'hating on the best' if they are using a different product from the same company. The people who moan the most about Wal-Mart don't shop there, but the people who moan the most about Vista are those who are using XP.

If Vista was the "best," Microsoft wouldn't be scrambling to make Windows 7. It's not just a marketing failure, and it's not just jealous people of the world poo-pooing it.

Am I saying that XP is superior in all ways? Hell no. Vista certainly has some upgraded capabilities, but they don't seem to offset all of its problems. Like I said, just look at the business world. The companies couldn't care less whether the OS they use is popular: the almighty dollar is the bottom line and that is usually best attained through efficiency.
 
Vista is just a newer version of ME. :D MSFT was aware of the problems with Vista from the get-go, hence the pushed up announcement of Seven.

I have a new laptop inbound, and unfortunately its loaded with Vista. Having played with the beta release for a while, that OS is coming off. Might give Linux a try, provided it's compatible with my trading platforms. If not, I'll install XP. If I could get my hands on Seven in beta, I'd consider that, too, for another computer I have that's not tied in to the CBOE servers.

MSFT will continue to support XP for at least another 10 years, so no worry there.
 
SPXTrader said:
If I could get my hands on Seven in beta, I'd consider that, too, for another computer I have that's not tied in to the CBOE servers.
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http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default.aspx
"Thanks for your interest in the Windows 7 Beta. The volume has been phenomenal—we're in the process of adding more servers to handle the demand. We're sorry for the delay and we'll re-post the Beta as soon as we can ensure a quality download experience."
 
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