What's your worst experience with a person who doesn't like blades?

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What is your worst experience with someone who just really didn't like the fact that you had a knife?

I just had a bad one where the police were called on me when I refused to take my knife off the bar counter when told to by the bartender. I said "It's legal, it's part of a discussion I'm having, and it's folded so it doesn't even look like a knife. Leave me alone!

Tell me about your worst experience. And lets not reply by judging people (as I'm sure many people will think I was out of line) I'd like to hear just one side of the story.

Let's see if this is interesting.

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Cameron Reddy
 
Cameron,

I've never had that type of problem in public. Out & about I only use SAK's or a multi-tool to cut things. It's a different story when I'm at certain gatherings at friends for parties & such. There ALWAYS seems to be AT LEAST one PC "YUPPIE" around who gets all "upset" when the topic of weapons comes up. At this stage, if they ANNOY me & MOST of the time they tend to, I just smile & make it a practice of nonchalantly taking off my jacket or button down shirt allowing them to see various firepower & bladeware on my person. That generally makes their eyes bug out & they stumble off mumbling gibberish to themselves... sometimes I cannot help it, I have to let the WOLF out & scare the sheep! ^_^

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Attila
 
Attila,

I just love it!

I guess it's the rebel in me that likes to rub PC jerks noses in the dirt. I can't wait to own the appropriate panoply of equipment so that I can emulate you. I love it!!!

I have carefully researched the laws in Michigan (and highly PC and liberal Ann Arbor where I live) and I am fully within my rights to carry, in the manner that I do, the knives which I have.

I wouldn't even think of breaking a law!
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Cameron Reddy
 
Cameron,

Heh, thanks... I'm a bit flattered...
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I'm glad to hear that you can LEGALLY carry the bladeware that you have. I can carry most anything in my home state of PA(I'm licensed) but when I state hop, NY, NJ, ect. I leave the firearms & large double edged FB's at home & use another stable of smaller FB's & folders 3 3/4" max blade length, single edge to help me thru my day...
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One of the most IMPORTANT things is to keep your equipment CONCEALED! While among friends & in a private residence then it's ok to do a bit of show & tell... REMEMBER: WE ARE THE MINORITY! Most ppl are sheep & they can VERY EASILY be LED. SAD BUT TRUE...
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Attila
 
If, in the barkeep's judgement, his product and his customers, as a class, and shiny sharp objects don't mix, the customer should probably change the subject of the conversation to something other than knives, or move the converation to a less nervous location.

In the other kind of "bar," where everybody's supposed to be sober but there are adversary procedings in progress, the judge may well have instructed the bailiffs to keep even nail clippers out of his courtroom.

I meet a bunch of "non-knife people" and I have a whole bunch of canned lines by now for answering the usual fearful reactions. Like ...

"This knife opens in a four-inch radius, dull-side first, and you are three feet away, and I am not your enemy, so why are you cringing?"

Or ...

"You open packages with your car keys? Would you try to start your car with a pocket knife?"



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- JKM
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James,

ROTFLMAO!!! I absolutely ADORE this line:

"You open packages with your car keys? Would you try to start your car with a pocket knife?"

DOH! I bet ya there are some *MENTAL GIANTS* out there that would do just that!
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Attila
 
Thanks you guys. Excellent and interesting comments already!!

CONCEALED!!!!

I have to drum that into my head--as the first thing I want to do is show off my cool knives! (And obviously I get pissed when someone doesn't share my enthusiasm!)

Keep the comments coming!!

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Cameron Reddy
 
For 30 years I was in an "intermarriage" with a non-knife person. One day last year she admitted that she'd used her car keys to open a box. I told her that it was not acceptable for the wife of a knife dealer to open a box with her car keys, and gave her a Spyderco Dragonfly.

Three weeks later she came home from the office and said "You won!" It seems there was a box of office supplies at work, and she reached for her Dragonfly, and she'd forgotten it, and she felt nekkid.
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Now she wears a William Henry everywhere but the courthouse, and brags about it to people who are clueless as to its utility or its value.
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We are "missionaries of sharp," and the "hellfire and brimstone" approach doesn't work to bring in converts. Gotta be patient with non-knife people. It's a slow process. Meanwhile, it helps us feel better sometimes, when we preach to the choir.


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- JKM
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Cameron,

YES... CONCEALED!!! I know us knife knuts get the "gotta show steel jones" every once in a while, but you have to practice restraint & do it around the right type of ppl at the right time.
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James,

VERY CUTE story! I agree that it takes time to convince certain ppl & if my wife was that way I would try to get her interested as well. When it comes to non sharp ppl & I DO like them, well then a laid back approach & a certain amount of patience is called for on my part to try & bring them into the fold. If however, I am not fond of them, then I just tactfully change the topic of discussion or move on.



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Attila
 
James,

Thanks for the help. I have never been too capable with the sugar approach, and my much preferred fire and brimstone approach just doesn't seem to work either!

I guess I just have a heck of a time dealing with people who do not think the way I do. I'd rather freak them out by pulling my knife than soft pedal the issue.

My psychiatrist has summed it up. I just don't play will with other boys and girls.

God, I wish I could!

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Cameron Reddy
 
I tend to worry the sheeple at work when I whip out one of my (many) knives to cut plastic straps, paper, etc. I also have a bad habit of popping my knives open when I get bored. But, of course, I am the first one they come to when they need something cut. I like to think that I am interesting more people in knives rather than scaring them away. I know of at least two who ahe started carrying knives since they first started dealing with me.


Kris

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kwheeler3644@cs.com
 
My worst experience? I got kicked out of eighth grade for carrying a knife. 1.5 inch blade. Talk about sheeple fearing knives!!

Jason
 
Hey Guys...

Yesterday I was at the hospital getting cross matched to be a blood doner for my daughter and one of the nurses was trying to open a box with her fingernail..

I reached under my shirt and pulled out a Spyderco Delica from a neck rig and said "Here Try This!"

She opened the box with it, then started asking questions on where I produced the knife from. I took it off and passed it around.

They all liked it, and said that it looked very handy, then asked for business cards..
" My Husband would like that",, one said.. LOL

ttyle Eric...


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Eric E. Noeldechen
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The worst thing i ever heard because of my knife habit?
"You are under arrest. You have the right to remain silent. etc, etc. Please hold out your arms so i can cuff you."

NOT a happy experience. I was pulled in to the station by the overzealous cop (it was an SAK) claiming that he'd caught a "Mugger" (his words, not mine). The sergeant on duty took one look at my knife and let me go. Still, it was not pleasent. I might have filed a complaint, except i was under 18 and legally not allowed to posess it at all
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James

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The beast we are, lest the beast we become.
 
Well, I've been fairly lucky as far as bad experiences go; mostly the sheeple just take a step or two back when I open a package or something. The worst experience was probably walking a couple blocks back to a friend's apartment to drop off my SAK when they wouldn't let me into a concert with it. And it wasn't even one of those concerts that is likely to end up with a riot or something.

I do want to point out, however, that concealed carry is illegal in many states. The knives I carry are legal, as long as they are not concealed or used in the commission of a crime. As soon as they are concealed, I become a felon.

--JB

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e_utopia@hotmail.com
 
You know, I get the impression that a number of the folks here enjoy making "sheeple" uneasy with their knives. If you act like this, you really shouldn't complain when people actually do become uneasy.

BTW, did you know that "sheeple" has long been a favorite phrase of the "The Jews running the government are going to enslave us all in the FEMA run concentration camps by relocating us there in black helicopters" type white-supremacist/neo-nazi/paranoid-militia types? They generally apply it to people who think differently than they do.

If you think that's unimportant, think of this -- we (people who like knives) are in the vast minority. Most folks couldn't care less and many of the rest are uneasy about people who carry knives of any type. So most folks are, at best, apathetic and at worst antithetical to our cause. Using terminology that is identified with profoundly paranoid frootloops is not going to help make people more comfortable around knives.

That said, does it make sense to antagonize the people you're supposedly trying to convince? Think about it this way, if someone approaches you and acts in a way that gets your guard up, then insults you when they see that your guard is up, are you then going to carefully consider their reasons why you shouldn't be on guard when they're around?

If making people uneasy is your intent, then fine. For myself, I want to pull out my pocket knife and have it be no more remarkable that if I pulled out a pen. That requires a change in the way the vast majority of people think about pocket knives and (to reiterate what James Mattis has said) arrogance or elitist insults are not an effective way to do this -- no matter how good and superior it makes you feel. Calm, rational, non-threatening responses will have far better effect.
 
" My Husband would like that",, one said.. LOL

Odds are at least even that on other matters the lady counts herself as a feminist! [irony]Now, if she'd stay home and bake cookies like a good traditional wife, she wouldn't need to carry a knife![/irony]

In an age when women vote, drive automobiles, and work in many trades and professions where they didn't 50 years ago, why should a woman have to borrow a knife from a man to cut something when she's not in her kitchen?

The last time I went to a concert I had my usual three one-hand folders, plus the SAK and the multitool on my person. No metal detector, no problem. Of course, the orchestra was playing Hayden and Strauss, and, at 50-something, we were in the youngest 25% of the audience.
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- JKM
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I've had my share of bad knife experiences, but I've never been arrested or accused of terrorism, which is a good thing.
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I lost my beloved first Spyderco Delica because it fell out of my pocket at a show and the bouncer wouldn't let me have it back (probably because he liked it).. he said, "Well, you can have your _keys_ back.."
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I was once trying to show this cute guy one of my knives because I thought he'd like it, he freaked out and started accusing me of trying to kill him. So I didn't talk to him much after that. Kind of embarrassing..
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When I lived in the U.K., I'd just moved into a new flat and was sick as a dog, sitting in the kitchen I was sharing with 7 other people. One of the guys came in and asked if anyone had a knife, I wasn't really paying attention and automatically flipped out my trusty Endura. He jumped about three feet into the air and yelled something naughty. Turns out he was asking for a butter knife and I'd just scared the bejeezus out of him. We're good friends now and laugh about how we first met, but it was an interesting experience.

I do run into problems with people who have no respect for my pretty knives. I have a friend whose first impulse upon seeing a brand new sebenza was to try and stab it into a pickle jar. I mean, I didn't go over to his house, ask to play with his nice new rifle, and use it to hammer stuff into the walls with, did I?
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As one of the token double-X chromos here I'd like to comment about the whole "chicks and knives" thing.

Yes, it's ironic that many women who consider themselves to be "independent" or "feminist" still think it's okay to rely on men to have proper tools around. Knives are portrayed by the image industry to be the territory of militia nuts, hoodlums, and bad girls. However, once you point out that their hoplophobia is actually a form of willful helplessness, they usually make an effort to get over their anxiety. It really rankles independent women when you associate a fear of tools with the kind of chicks who seem to be physically incapable of opening their own car doors, or carrying their own bags on holiday..
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I'm usually able to convince my friends that knives are neat, useful things to have on one's person at all times. This is because I am a sneaky, pushy little SOB.

I tend to give people knives as presents to start them off, since that's how I got started as a kid (thank goodness for older brothers!). I drag my friends to knife stores and knife shows with me and point stuff out, saying, "Look, isn't that neat?" "Hey, that would go perfectly on your keyring!" I encourage people to use and play with my knives, pointing out features like, "look, you can switch the clip over so that you can use it left-handed" (to a left-handed friend) or, "see, it has this great scissors here, and you can use the little screwdriver for your glasses" (to my mother) or "look, you can take it apart like so" (to my gadget-head friends). Whatever it takes to make them shift gears and see a knife for its utility/aesthetic value, rather than its ability to eviscerate them in the hands of a stereotypical over-Vitalis-ed 50's thug..

I try not to write friends off as being "sheeple" that need to be scared into compliance. As funny as it is when people freak out over little things like one-handed openings, it also demonstrates that there are some major problems with the knife industry's image. People need to be shown the light, as it were. But you have to figure out what angle to play..

OK, gettin' off my damned crate now.
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Well, sheeple actually means people who behave like sheep, as in the American public, who are generally afraid of having their own opinions or moving at all away from the mainstream of the group. If nazi-types are using it, they stole it, not that they have morals enough to care, anyway. How about we make it open season on nazis, then require that only knives be used. That would probably get them legalized pretty quick!

I personally take care not to scare people with my knives. I don't, however, hide them, as that is both illegal and makes people uncomfortable when you take the knife out. If more people get comfortable with seeing us carrying knives, they will be less likely to 'react explosively' (ie, "let's ban all knives") to a knife which frightens them a little, remembering that most of us are responsible and there really isn't a reason to be afraid. So, the point is that you should keep it low-key and always demonstrate good judgement in how/when you display your knives.

--JB

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e_utopia@hotmail.com
 
I always hear "That's an awfully big knife to be carrying around" about my Large Sebenza. I tell 'em "You never know when I might have to fend off some killer tomatoes!" and look wildly to the nearest window. Seems to shut 'em up.

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Brandon

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