When did traditionals become traditionals?

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At what point did common pocket knives switch from jack knives, pen knives, and other traditional slip joint folders to the modern style of folder (I.e. single large blade, locking, flat, pocket clip, etc.)? I mean, for a long time, the traditional style of knife was the modern style, so when was it replaced?
 
While I'm far from an expert, I think the shift from a slipjoint carried in the pocket started with the Buck 110 in the '60's and 70's and accelerated with Spyderco's development of the pocket clip and one-hand opening in the '80's.
 
Those dates sound about right to me.
The 110 came out in about 64.
Lockbacks suddenly became VERY popular.
Spyderco came out with its first knife in 1981.
 
Ditto. Locking folders long preceded the Buck 110. Spain had their knives and the lockring on the Opinel preceded the Buck 110 by several years. But in the US, the locking folder went big when Buck invented the lock back mechanism. But, I think the Buck 110 is responsible for the death of the fixed blade and only set the stage for the modern tactical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_Knives#The_Model_110

But I think JR42 has it right that Spyderco really is the one who created the template for the modern tactical folder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyderco
 
Lockback knives are much older than the Buck 110, and I consider the Buck 110 to be "traditional."

So when did it actually become necessary to start using the term "Traditional" to differentiate between 'ordinary' pocketknives and 'modern' folding knives? 1990-ish?
 
I really believe that the Buck 110 that came out in 1963/64, was the pivotal moment in knife history. Before that, while they had some lock blades around, they were not the everyday norm. Before the debut of the 110, if you stopped 100 men on the street in a pot luck search, I'd guess that 90% of them would have been carrying some sort of to blade jack in the 3 inch to 3 1/2 range. Maybe some serpentine jacks, dogleg jacks, equal end jacks, and so on.

I clearly remember the shift in the shape of cutlery of the 1960's. By the end of the 60's, everyone and their brother was making a clone. U.s. companies, Japanese companies, Pakistan companies, a zillion companies making Buck 110 clones. By 1970, the brass framed lock blade had become the industry standard foldling knife for pocket or belt carry. By 1980, there was almost no slip joint pocketknives being sold compared to the sales of a lock blade. The only folks carrying slip joints like Schrade old timers and Camillus products were a shrinking minority of the cutlery buyers.

It all went downhill from there for the traditional knife market. Companies like GEC and Canal Street came about to cater to a small bunch of consumers, but between the modern one hand folders and the new multitool market, they had the bulk of the buyers. But I do believe ti was the Buck 110 in the 60's that was the stone that started the landslide. In one decade, soldiers, sailors, tradesmen, bikers, hunters, and campers, were converted to the one locking blade knife.

Carl.
 
I consider the Buck 110 to be a traditional myself. I doubt the term traditional came along untill the mid 90's really, or maybe a little later, but I'm not sure. I'm just taking a guess.

Even though Spyderco's first knife made was in 81, I'd never heard of them untill 1990 when the Endura came out, and started showing up in a few outdoor stores.
I had never seen one untill I went in an REI in Atlanta around 90/91 and they had the an Endura. I bought one, and when my friends got a look at it they thought it was a really odd looking knife. Well, it was/is, but I was a knifenut, and buy all types of knives. Never saw any modern type folders(one hand opening, and clip) for a couple more years after that in my town. In the early 90's it seems they started showing up everywhere.
 
It's funny this thread came up, I was thinking about the same thing. Sometime during this knives went from fine cutting slicing tools to three to four inch car hood stabbing log splitting zombie killers. I've tired of the new style and am buying more traditionals now.
 
When some kid looks at your knife, and then says that his grandpa carried one just like it! At that moment you know you and what you carry is vintage.:D

Carl.

Very good Carl! :D
 
I'd have to agree that the Buck 110 was a watershed in the traditional knife evolution. I also agree that the Spyderco knives was another watershed development that has hugely influenced the market. I think the timelines above are correct as well. Oddly, I have only owned one Spyderco and still have not owned a Buck 110. My first modern one hand opener was/is a Benchmade mini AFCK. I find I much prefer traditionals.

Ed J
 
Im younger than some here, but I consider the wood and brass locking knives to be traditional. I know when I was in Highschool in the early 90's you could still get good American knives at Walmart. I have a few Schrades from back then. I dont know when the one hand openers got popular, but Im pretty sure its about the same time most knives went from being good tools to cheap junk.
 
It's funny this thread came up, I was thinking about the same thing. Sometime during this knives went from fine cutting slicing tools to three to four inch car hood stabbing log splitting zombie killers. I've tired of the new style and am buying more traditionals now.

This 100%

I get a lot of grief for what I carry, my buddies see some cheaply made, 1/4" thick, combo edged, tactical POS and start drooling. When I pull out a stockman or something, I get laughs. I guess it is weird for a younger guy to carry knives like these and not like tacticals/OHO's...

I don't understand the transition, hehe.
 
I fault no one for carrying modern style knives. I have plenty and carry one at work everyday. I'm just saying when I'm not at work I am carrying and buying more and more traditionals. When I was a kid it was all slip joints then I got a buck 110 carried it on my belt like all cool dudes did. Then some where along the way just as others said above I bought one of the original spyderco knives and shortly after broke the plastic pocket clip and so on and so on. Then a couple of years ago I didn't know where all my old traditionals went to. Started buying one here and there and now my slip joint collection is growing again. Looking to get my first GEC knife before too long :D
 
Late 80's, early 90's. That is the point here it seems more of the tactical companies sprang up and got a major foothold in the market. From that that point on, it seemed the clip mounted, modern material scaled, one handed folder was on equal ground or surpassed standard traditions in certain areas.
 
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