When is a screw classified as damaged

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By damaged I mean no longer safe to use it in a knife. I've had a couple screws that looks almost stripped at the top, but when I look closer in the light it looks normal at the bottom. It's difficult to explain but the "bumps" in a torx screw has slightly scuffed at the top but not at the bottom.

I will add a picture of the pocket clip screws on my Kershaw Launch 5. But when I look with my bare eye it almost looks stripped.

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So my question is how do you classify a screw as being too damaged to use?
(Maybe I'm overthinking it)
Thanks guys!
 
The bottom one in the photo above should be replaced. Top one is borderline also. Scratches don't matter but deformation is trouble. Anything that causes the amount of surface area in engagement with the driver to decrease is troublesome and could cause a headache the one time you aren't being careful enough. Remember, new screws = cheap insurance.
 
Too damaged to use is somewhat subjective, however I’d define it as when a known quality driver (Wiha) or bit no longer fits snug with little to no play OR when there is deformation to the threads themselves. Cheap drivers and bits will wreck a screw with a single use.
 
When in doubt replace. If the driver doesn't grab firmly stop disassembling and get new screws. The next time will be the time you end up being unable to remove the screw normally.
 
Old gunsmith advice - if your driver bit does not apply torque to the screw primarily at the bottom of the slot it will chew up the top of the slot or worse. Many times it is necessary to slightly grind the bit so it grabs the slot at the bottom and not at the top. This applies to slotted, philips, Allen and Torx fasteners. You would think all of the screw and bit manufacturers would be working off the same blueprint - but they're not. The other issue here is that most of these screws are sub-sub contracted from some place in Taiwan and they're made from recycled tuna cans. They strip out as fast as you can replace them. On an Allen or a Torx the bottom of the driving slot is punched down below the head into the threaded shank of the screw so there is very little metal around it. Do not over torque those types of screws or use thread locking compound or the head will shear off. Then you'll have a real problem. Torx screws are the work of the Devil. I hate them.
 
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I feel your pain on that. Most of that applies to the cheap screws and drivers though. Buy some good quality tools and fasteners and you won't regret it. A good company for screws is Holo-Krome. Get the yellow box for USA-made. They are excellent.
 
Old gunsmith advice - if your driver bit does not apply torque to the screw primarily at the bottom of the slot it will chew up the top of the slot or worse. Many times it is necessary to slightly grind the bit so it grabs the slot at the bottom and not at the top. This applies to slotted, philips, Allen and Torx fasteners. You would think all of the screw and bit manufacturers would be working off the same blueprint - but they're not. The other issue here is that most of these screws are sub-sub contracted from some place in Taiwan and they're made from recycled tuna cans. They strip out as fast as you can replace them. On an Allen or a Torx the bottom of the driving slot is punched down below the head into the threaded shank of the screw so there is very little metal around it. Do not over torque those types of screws or use thread locking compound or the head will shear off. Then you'll have a real problem. Torx screws are the work of the Devil. I hate them.

OOOOOOOH . . . almost.
I was going along there thumbs up and YEAH brother . . . until the last line :
Torx screws are the work of the Devil. I hate them.
Nah dude, nah.
They have way more purchase on the interface between tool tip and fastener. Total perfect design. Want to talk crap / work of the Devil think Phillips screw. The bit kicks out just about the time one is about to get it tight enough or about the time it is going to loosen the fastener. The only reason for Phillips is it is self aligning and easy for automatic assembly machines and drywallers to geeeeeeter done.

Can we agree to say : Poorly made "sub-sub contracted . . . in junk metal" and not heat treated (most of the fasteners in the knives we see) are the work of the devil ?

Nah, good quality Torx are a god send even over Allen / hex socket screws. :thumbsup:
As far as the original question :
When is a screw classified as damaged
I can't add anything constructive except to say : When it is in one of our pocket knives.
Most of the fasteners I see in pocket knives are already more damaged than yours right from the factory and are so soft they are iffy to fool around with especially the ones where the misguided fools at the factory over did it with the locktite. I have never had one shear off in a pocket knife but don't doubt it will happen. I have had a few round out (don't call it stripped; that bugs me. Stripped is when the threads shear off in the business end.)
I say if you find a source for REAL Torx screws (well formed out of good steel and heat treated) you will love them and I would recommend replacing all the screws in the knife with these on the first rebuild.
The case for QUALITY Torx bits cannot be over stated as well.
And yes, for sure, do grind the tip of the tool bit as drail recommends ! ! !
It won't be as easy to get the bit into the fastener but it will SURE AS HECK get a better bite in the fastener ! ! ! :thumbsup:
 
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Wow lots of constructive feedback guys, thanks! The above screws were when I still used cheapish drivers. Recently I got some wiha sets because I have only heard good things about it. I want to request new screws from Kai but I requested a screw for my 0452cf about a month ago. I feel bad requesting more screws because they send it for fres and I live in South Africa and the 0452cf screw is still in transit.

I don't want them to think I'm abusing the free parts order from them, especially since I don't live in the US. I would really love to find a place to buy aftermarket screws but it's hard to find a place in South Africa. If anyone knows of some US companies that I can check if they ship internationally that would be awesome! I will order a large batch straight away.
Thanks for all the help!
 
First determine what thread you've got, then check Amazon for Holo-Krome screws in that size. I'm sure they ship to S. Africa.
 
First determine what thread you've got, then check Amazon for Holo-Krome screws in that size. I'm sure they ship to S. Africa.
I've noticed most zt/ us made kershaw T 6 screws are about the same size (not length) do you know the diameter and thread pitch perhaps?
 
I didn't offhand, but just for you I pulled a T6 clip screw out of my Kershaw and checked the diameter and pitch. It is a #2-56 UNC thread, 3/16" long. If you can't find them at Amazon or somewhere that will ship to S. Africa, you might ask a friend in the U.S. to get you some and ship them. It is worth it IMO to get good quality screws.
 
I didn't offhand, but just for you I pulled a T6 clip screw out of my Kershaw and checked the diameter and pitch. It is a #2-56 UNC thread, 3/16" long. If you can't find them at Amazon or somewhere that will ship to S. Africa, you might ask a friend in the U.S. to get you some and ship them. It is worth it IMO to get good quality screws.
Thanks man, you are the best. I actually did find a site that sells Holo-krome. Now I just wanna check if they have that specific one! This will help me a lot. Thanks!
 
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