'When Meeting a Bear'....

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I've recently been inspired by the helpful Busse history threads from older guys like Knifehunter and Eric Isaacson -- The past few days I've had a bit of mania for researching BME variants which has led me to trawling through ancient threads.

Anyway, I just found this old thread which starts out as a whinge about Busses and swiftly turns into an in depth discussion on the relative merits of choils and or stick-tangs for 'inserting' into bears.

It might just be that it's almost 3AM here, but I found the first page of this thread so hilarious that I almost cried.

Here it is:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...*****-Knife?highlight=battle+mistress+variant
 
Man, I just killed a a couple of hours with that thread!

I had a FBMLE and a Trailmaster (sanmaiIII) at the same time. I kept the FBMLE, and sold the Trailmaster (after it had served me for about 8 or 9 years). I would have kept the CS Trailmaster too if it had a stacked leather or Micarta handle.

The bear stabbing was funny!
What is crazy about that thread, the OP did not stick around to get banned, but Cliff Stamp got banned with 17,000 plus posts. I can't imagine getting ticked enough to blow up and get banned. I don't have that post count, but I value my time and the knowledge I have gained here enough to mind my P's and Q's, and be ready to apologize or back down if moderators think I need to!
 
Ugh. Mall ninja armchair commando who has no idea about reality. Going into combat with bears??? Is he serious???? hahahahaha!!!! :D

I have a trailmaster too, and guess what, it has a choil :)
 
I would have kept the CS Trailmaster too if it had a stacked leather or Micarta handle.

The Trail Master is still an attractive blade -- I know what you mean about the leather washers. If it was packaged as pretty as Falkniven's Thor, I might be more inclined to buy it as a beautiful bit of kit.

I have a trailmaster too, and guess what, it has a choil

The only one's I've ever seen without a choil were one of the very first version from Ventura, and even that had a sort of lumpy elf-choil thing going on.

It's just funny sometimes how people can suggest things like 'trying to stab a bear with a knife w/choil would be disastrous'.... with no apparent sense of irony or the absurdity of what they're suggesting. :D
 
http://www.backpacker.com/grizzly_b...01&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter03

Navigate a Close Encounter
First, don’t panic. Easy to say, we know, but the bear might not be attacking. Most of the time, it will saunter off. “Even when it pounces forward, slaps the ground, or blows air, it actually means the bear is nervous and won’t attack,” Rogers says. “In 40 years of being around wild black bears, I’ve seen that behavior a lot and never had one come after me.” But if a face-off is, indeed, underway, follow these pointers. And rehearse them in advance (your partner can play the bear).

Black bear
The best defense is to carry a pepper spray like Halt! Dog Repellent ($8, halt.com). Though marketed for dogs, Rogers says it’s strong enough to fend off a black bear. It shoots a stream about 15 feet, rather than a mist that can blow back into your face. If the bear comes after you (or is rummaging in your food), aim at its forehead and arc down. “I’ve squirted myself in the eye,” says Rogers, “and there’s no lasting harm. It teaches them a lesson: Campgrounds are no place for a bear.” Otherwise, a “nuisance” bear could be killed later by wildlife managers or a camper with a gun. If you don’t have spray, throw rocks and talk loudly in a deep voice. To appear bigger, grab a camp chair or sleeping bag and hold it over your head. “Doing just about anything aggressive will scare it away,” he says. If the bear does attack, your reaction depends on the circumstances:
>> Predatory In rare cases, black bears have, for unknown reasons, stalked and attacked people. In this scenario, don’t play dead or run (black bears and grizzlies can sprint at 35 mph). Rather, “Fight back with any weapon available: fists, feet, sticks, rocks, whatever,” he says.
>> Defensive “If it’s an even rarer attack by a mother defending cubs, which black bears hardly ever do, drop into the fetal position, since lying still has proven effective time and again,” Rogers says.

Grizzly
Again, pepper spray is your best option, but you’ll need a stronger brand, like Bear Deterrent from Counter Assault ($45, counterassault. com). If the bear makes contact anyway (like with a mother protecting cubs), lie in a fetal position, torso facing the ground, hands around neck. A curious bear might flip you. If so, keep rolling until back on your belly. Playing dead fails? Fight back with all you have.

Protect Your Food
Bears have remarkable noses. “I once monitored a bear who sniffed out a hazelnut crop 40 miles away,” Rogers says. “Two days later, she was there chowing down.” Ergo, in bruin-populated areas, store your food, garbage, and other odiferous items—clothes with food stains, sunscreen, toothpaste, lotion, bug dope, fuel (yes, really)—inside airtight bags, then keep the bags safe with one of the following methods.

>> Use bear canisters Rogers recommends the Backpackers’ Cache canister ($65; 2.7 lbs.; backpackerscache.com). Place the canister about 100 adult steps downwind from camp in case odors leak. Note: Many national and state park visitor centers rent—and, in some cases, require—canisters.

>> Hang a bag In places with less bear activity, where the weight of a canister isn’t justified, a bear bag can suffice, though experts disagree on their effectiveness: Some say an ambitious-enough black bear can always reach them. But since properly hung bags also keep out rodents and other critters, they’re a good idea in either case. Choose a tree 100 yards downwind from your tent, then attach your food bag to one end of 100-foot nylon cord. Tie a one-pound rock to the other end, toss it over a large branch, hoist the bag, and secure the line. You want the bag 10 feet off the ground and four feet from the trunk. View a step-by-step demo at backpacker.com/hangabearbag.

>> Set up a fence Surrounded by grizzlies? Keep them away by enclosing your campsite with a portable electric fence, like the one from UDAP ($250; 3 lbs. 8 oz., with batteries; udap.com). The wireand- mesh fence easily stakes into the ground in about 10 minutes, encloses a 27-by-27-foot area, and delivers 6,000 volts via two D-cell batteries—just enough shock to make any animal (including you) jump back, but not enough to inflict lasting damage.
 
When I'm in Bear Country I use a .300 Win. Mag., a .454 Casull and my Yeti Coolers that I keep in my van.
 
When scouting, it's important to know the difference between Black Bear scat, and Grizzly scat.


Although their diets can be similar, it is quite easy to tell the difference between the two.

Black Bear scat will include a lot of seeds, maybe small bones, etc...

Grizzly scat will smell like pepper spray and have bells in it.


hope this helps.


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If only this didn't have a choil, it would be perfect for 'inserting' and removing from a bear.

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Experts say to aim for the nose/eyes.. if someone else wants to start a thread similar to this one, but against feline species (Leopard/cheetah/lion/tiger), save your key strokes - 99% of those attacks happen before you even know or even see them.
 
Thanks amdmaxx :) Some very well detailed and thought out advice. The best I've heard with regards to bears.

If you look at my original post, it was a little joke about someone else who claimed that in comparison to Cold Steel knives Busses would be inferior for stabbing bears.

While we're on the subject of feline attacks, when I was in India I was living with with a South African family. Apparently this guy (ex-SA military) had beaten off a panther with a hockey stick. But I guess he was lucky in that he saw the thing first.

Where I was there were a lot of panthers and leopards but no tigers or cobras so I suppose we were fortunate :p
 
sprays work best against bears.. and keep food away from yourself/tent.. See article above.. and stay safe out there.. :)
 
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