Where can I get some good, straight handles for my CS hawks??

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Man, I just got in 2 CS Trail Hawks. The handles are garbage! All beat to hell, one of them is bent pretty bad, chunks taken out, deep enough so that you cant sand them out.

Where can I get some good handles?

Better yet, where could I aquire some composite/fiberglass ones that are already fitted for the CS head?
 
brethren,

our Gen 1 Mk1 handles are permanently affixed to to the hawk heads for now.

we don't currently sell just the handles, but i reckon we will later on, when the Gen 2's come out.


FWIW we also have some slip handles that we will be trying out sooner or later.

i'm going to temporarily stop taking custom work orders on the hawks shortly (most of what i do in the hawk community is custom work, so there hasn't been much reason to advertise yet, until we expand, God Willing) so that i can advance those projects.

wish us luck, fellow-babies...:)....

thanks, brother 'Q...!

i owe ya.

vec
 
Vec...I...and I imagine many others...would purchase your composite handles for our CS Trail Hawk head mods (if you offered composite handles only).
 
Vec...I...and I imagine many others...would purchase your composite handles for our CS Trail Hawk head mods (if you offered composite handles only).

would ya want the new composite (1) slip handles, brother...? - i have a couple designs i want to try

- one is just a composite copy of the wood, and allows tuneable weights, like if ya wanna throw them, or match sets,...

- the other slip handle idea has sort of a langette/strike plate secondary part, which would make the ergonomics better than a standard slip handle, which i think would be lovely if you use the hawks more for utility, which i like to do - but the handle would be in two pieces that ya tension/squeeze the head in between for no-slip characteristics, strength issues, etc.

- plus there is another that is a wood/composite hybrid....


or (2) the Gen 1 Mk 1's, which are permanent?

the Gen 1 Mk 1's (i think, i haven't tried it yet) could just be put in and epoxied into the heads alone and i think they would be pretty straight-forward for folks to install - super strong but with no "crown" of material over the head.

as we make them, they are attached from the bottom, the middle, and the top - the last measure really makes them pretty tough, and also allows some interesting tool attachments that hawks aren't normally considered for....

any advice from you good-brethren would be highly-appreciated.

TIA

vec
 
would ya want the new composite (1) slip handles, brother...? - i have a couple designs i want to try

- one is just a composite copy of the wood, and allows tuneable weights, like if ya wanna throw them, or match sets,...

- the other slip handle idea has sort of a langette/strike plate secondary part, which would make the ergonomics better than a standard slip handle, which i think would be lovely if you use the hawks more for utility, which i like to do - but the handle would be in two pieces that ya tension/squeeze the head in between for no-slip characteristics, strength issues, etc.

- plus there is another that is a wood/composite hybrid....


or (2) the Gen 1 Mk 1's, which are permanent?

the Gen 1 Mk 1's (i think, i haven't tried it yet) could just be put in and epoxied into the heads alone and i think they would be pretty straight-forward for folks to install - super strong but with no "crown" of material over the head.

as we make them, they are attached from the bottom, the middle, and the top - the last measure really makes them pretty tough, and also allows some interesting tool attachments that hawks aren't normally considered for....

any advice from you good-brethren would be highly-appreciated.

TIA

vec



This is JMO
I would be very much interested in some handles that had a weight close to the stock hickory setups. How do your materals compare in weight?
The "tunable" setup really does not appeal to me, as I just dont have a need to throw any of my hawks, but I can see how that would be nice for those that do.
For me, its more about peace of mind, knowing I have a handle that is nearly indestructable.I love my hawks, but a little itch in the back of my head would always make me grab a modern Fiskars if my life depended on it. Sad I know.

Something with a good weight, and that secures firmly, with no chance of comming loose, or "throwing" the head. Perhaps offer different lengths. The complexity of the attachment really does not scare me.

Let us know what you plan to do. I can say for myself, that you can put me down for a few already, as I wouldnt have a hawk without one of your handles, if they were offered for sale.

Keep up the good work Bro, looking forward to what you come up with:D
 
This is JMO
I would be very much interested in some handles that had a weight close to the stock hickory setups. How do your materals compare in weight?
The "tunable" setup really does not appeal to me, as I just dont have a need to throw any of my hawks, but I can see how that would be nice for those that do.
For me, its more about peace of mind, knowing I have a handle that is nearly indestructable.I love my hawks, but a little itch in the back of my head would always make me grab a modern Fiskars if my life depended on it. Sad I know.

Something with a good weight, and that secures firmly, with no chance of comming loose, or "throwing" the head. Perhaps offer different lengths. The complexity of the attachment really does not scare me.

Let us know what you plan to do. I can say for myself, that you can put me down for a few already, as I wouldnt have a hawk without one of your handles, if they were offered for sale.

Keep up the good work Bro, looking forward to what you come up with:D


hey, first of all, i really appreciate your advice, brother!

before i made these hawks, i always went to my Fiskars products for reasons you have stated.

hawks are not hatchets, nor are they axes - they are hawks! and i prefer them because of their (1) agility in combat, (2) lightweight to carry long periods, and (3) their magnificence in action in hands that are aware of their basic design idiosyncracies, ...that can appreciate their deep-sinking bits over their cousins the hatchets, and how fast they can turn and correct, compared to the same.

i wouldn't add anything to my hawks that i didn't believe in - there is only so much weight i would add to a handle, for example, ...at a point it gets ridiculous to a point where you want a crow bar because it is no longer a hawk, from all the added mass...;

which brings me to my next point...;


as to the weight issue with composite vs. wood - the original Gen 1 Mk 1's (they all look the same, the internals are different) were a touch lighter than the wood on average - folks have been really abusing them and everyone i have been talking to has been agreeing that they are tougher than straight grained (perfect) wood handles, hickory and such, you know the drill there...;

but everyone is getting the idea that they are indestructible - i don't think i ever said that or implied that, but folks are getting pretty excited! hahaha! - they are tough though, and the design can be strengthened just in slight changes of materials - they are as strong as they are because they are made in a special way out of average materials used in aerospace applications, not because they are made out of special weaves, Kevlars, etcetera - so we can make them a lot better with materials that are on the docket, ...but because of how so many folks are really beating the Hell out of them (frankly), i just started adding what i call the Molar Strike Plate - which is an internal structural reinforcement that increases the weight slightly - which most folks that have owned the old ones and the new ones, with the molar "implant" haven't admitted noticing yet -

we continue to back all our hawks and future handles with Happines Guarantees, because i can't stand bullshit, if i may be so eloquent - i am selling you something that i would use to defend my family's life - i figure you shouldn't have to second guess it.

i had a point there ...oh yeah! - so although i personally use the original Gen 1 Mk 1 handles for my own hawks, which are lighter than the wood, but arguably stronger, the new ones have the internal Molar Strike Plate, which has the added benefit beyond its intended purpose of letting you really carve down the haft/eye area, to potentially use it for heads other than the standard Cold Steel eyes - we haven't tested that yet, but the design indicates that is a pretty safe bet - the investors in the Gen 1 Mk 1 hawks have been our test body so far, and any one who buys a handle from us in the future will get the assurance that we will cover them with our Happiness Guarantee, as long as you do your part and give us feedback.

i think that is a good deal, and i hope i haven't bored you brethren too much, explaining my humble way of thinkin', ya dig...?

perhaps ya do diggit.

....(wink!)....

we will have to work on getting those handles out.

Merry Christmas,

hawk-philliac vec
 
...one is just a composite copy of the wood, and allows tuneable weights, like if ya wanna throw them...

100% composite. As close to factory hickory haft weight as possible/ OD green. One piece. 19-inch. As close to an exact compy/dimensions as the CS factory haft. PM me for shipping address. I will test for you NC. :D

...everyone is getting the idea that they are indestructible - i don't think i ever said that or implied...

They are not indestructible. Shooter broke one.
 
They are not indestructible. Shooter broke one.

right brother 'Q - and not to nit-pick or sway - but he broke one that didn't have the (1) Molar Strike Plate that was (2) more than four feet long - a length the Gen 1 Mk 1's were not designed for, which we had discussed, i believe - he was doing me a huge favor testing it at that length as far as i am concerned - in tests that (3) defeated a wooden one, according to him ...:)....

and it still functioned. - i've got it right here beside me for re-work with new internals - (Lord! i love composites!) - all part of our Happiness Guarantee, fellow-babies.


i think that is a positive for the (original) Gen 1 Mk 1 design - it definitely gives me confidence when i carry my 3/4 weight at 28 inches ...into the Unknown...:)....


....and anyway he is not human - brother shooter's a wookie.

so neener-neener....:p....

....har...!


vec
 
vector001,
Your hawks sound great, cant wait to get my hands on one. Best wishs on your new ventures.
 
100% composite. As close to factory hickory haft weight as possible/ OD green. One piece. 19-inch. As close to an exact compy/dimensions as the CS factory haft. PM me for shipping address. I will test for you NC. :D

....that's mighty nice of ya, mah bruthah ...:p....

i feel like i have been slap-tickled....

....har...!


thanks for voicing the preference too, that'll help a lot of our future desicions.

i think if you held a Gen 1 Mk 1 though, you'd become a snob to the Cold Steel slip handle contour - the same contour i want to try on that two-piece removable handle i want to make....

vec
 
...and anyway he is not human - brother shooter's a wookie...

Negative on the Wookie Vec. Wookies are cute; Shooter is Sasquatch. :barf:

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vector001,
Your hawks sound great, cant wait to get my hands on one. Best wishs on your new ventures.

thanks, brother - i am really looking forward to finishing some of the brethren's hawks that have ordered from bladeforums, and the extra-long hawks that we are doing more commonly will be a great challenge to execute right.

the Hawk Project is just a baby - and most of our hawks are considered cooperative efforts between us and the investors.

we don't just want folks to just love their hawks, we want them to enjoy the collaborative process of designing them with us, and being aware that we will always back our work, cuz it's the right thing to do.

thanks for the good words!

vec
 
Negative on the Wookie Vec. Wookies are cute; Shooter is Sasquatch. :barf:

hey that big fibber said he was CUTE...!

....dang it...!

doh...!


....let's see what he can do with a Molar Strike Plate on that next TRUE poll axe he's gettin'....

....:)....

glutton-for-punishment vec
 
Ahem...
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Originally Posted by vector001 View Post
...everyone is getting the idea that they are indestructible - i don't think i ever said that or implied...
They are not indestructible. Shooter broke one.
While I did break it, I was and still am amazed at what it took to break it. Not that I was trying to break it. Vecs handles are strong, to say the least. FWIW, I purchased another AFTER I broke the first hawk because I was so impressed with it. And yes, the handle on the first hawk was 54 inches long, that's four and a half feet if I am not mistaken, and I'm not. I also broke an ash handle that was essentially the same length as the Vec poll hawk that I broke. The ash handle broke with far less attention that the Vec hawk. I will take a Vec hawk over wood any day. I am looking forward to Vecs innovations. And I am cute, see-
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i appreciate your clarification and your continued support, shooter-baby!

we will strive to stay one of your big faves...!

we're just gettin' started.


we are gonna have some fun with those new ones - AND, i dare say, the re-work on the cracked Gen 1 Mk 1.

poll axes are great, because they are essentially weightless, standing on the ground as they are most of the time - i am really hot to get your help on future models too, brother 'shooter.

....and wouldja lookit DAT?!! - desert wookie, right there.

i told you, brethren!

....har...!

nice jammies.


vec
 
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