Which full auto only for Class III in Connecticut?

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I live in Connecticut where the only class III auto weapons available for purchase are full auto only. We cannot purchase weapons that have selector switches. I want to know what class III you would purchase. What weapons do you know of that are full auto only? I know there are some firearms that can be converted to full auto only but I am not aware of all of them. Can anyone here let me know? I know that certain AR 15's can be made full auto only and also M1 carbines. What else?
 
When you get much above a pistol or carbine round, (such as moving up to .308), 3-shot bursts or full auto shooting gets pretty uncontrollable in shoulder fire mode, based on my experience.

If you feel the same way, then one of the smaller/lighter selecta-fire carbines will probably do well for you.

For personal ownership, I'm pretty much opposed to rifles or heavy carbines for pistol cartridges, just as I'm opposed to machine pistols...they just don't work well for me...YMMV

The Colt/Bushmaster CAR's fit the desired nitch well, and the BM's sell for as little as $4000. H&K .45 sub-guns work well too, and I saw 6 police trade-in's for sale at a gunshow in San Antonio, TX. a few weeks back for less than $2600 per, but they were pretty beat up.

www.gunsamerica.com and www.thefiringline.com are good sources of info. on what's currently available on the spot market.

BOL, and pick me up a H&K model #21 beltfed while you're at it please... :)

Mel

-edited- Sorry, a misread...no selector switch huh? Well, a Thompson model 1928 in .45 ACP then... :D
 
Ditto what Mel said. Shooting a .45 Thompson in full auto mode is about as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. The relatively high weight of the Tommy combined with the relatively low recoil of the .45 ACP cartridge results in an eminently controllable package. By just slightly leaning into the weapon you can expend a full magazine in one go, and maintain your hold on target throughout. The only thing that'll be sore at the end of the day will be your thumb (from loading so many magazines ;) ).
 
I had the opportunity to fire an H&K MP5 that belongs to a friend that is a Class III collector. He had most of a case of cheap foreign FMJ ammo and I had access to a private gravel pit; it was a match made in heaven.

We took one of those metal tins that fruit cake come in and tossed it out +/-35 yards. After a brief learning curve it was possible to touch the trigger, fire three shots and at least hit the can two times. His model also had a three shot burst feature and I had better luck with that. I could fully depress the trigger and watch the front post. It was kind of like driving a clutch for the first time; I knew all of the moves, it was just hard doing them all at the same time!

We had a cardboard box which was at least twice as big as a shoe box. We took the spent brass home in that! Most fun I've ever had with a 9mm!
 
have been thinking about going thru 'class 111 hell' myself, and getting the license and going for it!! but a lot of paperwork/$$ etc is req'd lol. i really am thinking about it though. if i had my choices, in full auto stuff, would want either a H&K MP5 PDW in 9MM or 10MM (pref 10MM!) or a H&K 53, basically a MP5 on steroids in 5.56MM. a AK74 'krinkov' like osama bin laden carries(carried?) would be cool too.

i personally have little experience w/full auto weapons, but have shot a M16 (in the army) a CAR15 or XM177 version of the '16, a ingram mac 10 .45 w/a suppressor (good only for a firefight in a phone booth lol) and a 'schmiesser' and 'sten' sub gun, of which the CAR15 was the most practicle imho.

the least practicle imho was the ingram, useless beyond 25 ft. but lots of fun to shoot - we sat up 5 targets at 20 yds, small about the size of a rabbit, and i let loose a whole mag (30 rnds i think) and didnt hit a single target lol, hit all around them though!!!!!!!!! took about a second or so..........!!!!!!!

greg
 
I used to be a bigtime collector of class III weapons. I have not bought/sold/or transfered any of my collection in 8 years but I understand the Tax component of the process gets held up in Washington due to some IRS crap about the "legality" of accepting the tax money. Most of the full auto weapons I own were bought long ago and many never fired. The prices for them now in the secondary market is insane.
My Class III collection now sits in a pair of safes for my Sons to TRY to sell after I die. With the way the Laws are going, ownership of any "machineguns" will probably bring the death penalty, BUT they sure are a blast to shoot [actually it's orgasmic to let a belt-fed rip, isn't it Sheldon!!!]

What you should do is look for a club or group that meet for shooting events and join. Get to know the in's and out's of ownership and let the guys/ladies who shoot often guide you through the process. Most are great people and if you show up with a case of .223 ammo, many will allow you to use a firearm for stress relief [assuming they have gotten that chance to get to know you]. When I used to belong to "machinegun" club, we had many members who did not own any class III weapons at all.

Good luck and once you get thru the red tape and all the ATF/IRS bullsh*t there are alot of nice toys out there. Just be prepared to pay ten times more than I did for guns back in 1976-86!!!!
 
oh and the prices now!!! a few yrs ago ya could get some neat stuff (ie used MP5/thompson/M10/etc) pretty cheap, between 1-2 K(well, not cheap lol) but NOW a transferrable MP5 would run, i bet, 4-5K. the cheapest i have seen was about a year ago in shotgun news(?) a guy had a used thompson, dont rmember the exact model, but had several mags, and accesories, he wanted $1250 if i rmrmber right, not tooooo bad. ya couldnt touch it now for less than 2K, period.


not a cheap sport, but rocks!!!!!

greg
 
I worked at a range for several years that rented and sold class III toys. We had an Uzi, MP5A2, MP5K, M11 .380, S&W 76 that were shot a lot and a few Mini 14 / AR15 Conversions that were shot very little.

The two that I liked best were the Uzi and the M11 .380. Both are very simple designs and easy to maintain. Our MP5s were much more difficult to keep clean and took a lot more cleaning to keep working day after day on the range, but were more accurate, and had better ergornomics.

The M11 was the most fun, simply because if fired roughly 1600 rounds per minute and was a hose. Nobody could get less than 6 or 7 round bursts out of it. Very hard to control without the stock and barrel extension, but it sure was pure hell out to 25 - 30 feet. Most fun of the bunch hands down in my opinion, but VERY hard to control if shot as pistol full auto.

The S&W 76 was ok, also very reliable and simple, but I didn't like the stock and the entire gun would heat up too much to be comfortable to shoot if you put more than a couple of mags through it in a a hurry.

The UZI would be the one that I would most likely buy if I ever decided that it was worth the ATF hassle. Ours fired pretty slow, around 500 rounds per minute, and was very easy to shoot accurately full auto. It was quite a bit more controllable than the Thompsons that we ordered for customers and got to fire upon occasion. Also, at 500 rpm it is pretty easy to squeeze off just one or two shots at a time with a little practice. There are also a couple of different wood stocks out there that make it more comfortable to shoot still.

I would tend to stick with pistol caliber weapons, simply because they are generally cheaper to shoot, quieter, and can be fired on a lot of ranges where .223 or 7.62x39 can't be. The rifle calibers are much harder to control for most people when they are just starting out, and our rifle range had all of the walls, ceiling, target hangers and lights constantly shot up by people with the converted Mini and ARs, not to mention the occasional AK that someone would bring in.

Also, if you have never been around when a ~10" barreled AR carbine is fired full auto with cheap Win USA .223 ammo, you are missing out on a monster of a fireworks display!!!

A fun but less hassle option if you are not familiar with them, look into some of the Airsoft guns. Try 747 Imports on the web to get an idea. They are electric powered plastic bb guns that are the same size and shape as the original guns, roughly the same cyclic rate, and you can shoot them in the yard or house without getting the neighbors and the feds all worked up. 80% of the fun of the original, especially if you get the traser unit and shoot the GID bb, so you can light up your low light shooting with elegant bright green dots arcing across the field of fire.
 
Wolfmann,

You may want to rethink what will happen to your guns. I don't think your boys get to have them after you pass. The guns will have to go through the transfer process and you won't be around to transfer them. They may simply have to be forfetted to the gvt. if you don't transfer them beforehand.
 
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