Which Karambit?

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Hello,

I'm looking into purchasing a karambit however was wondering if anyone could give me a suggestion before I do so.

After looking through a variety of karambits I've come across two that I'm trying to decide between.

  • Mantis MK3 - Cinq III
  • Smith & Wesson Extreme Ops Folding Karambit Camo
Both seem decent as a starter and rather cheap for the good reviews they're getting. Eventually I'm probably going to go for a Emerson Super or Combat Karambit.

So, any opinions on which is better or some pros/cons on them?

Thanks for any/all help :)
 
I would suggest maybe a byrd crossbill in G10, it's a bargain, and has the same ergonomics and quality of spyderco knives, but at a very low price point, the pros are it's great for self defense and gardening, cons are it'll suck for a EDC knife.
 
Eh, doesn't look to bad but I'm mainly looking for a folding karambit which I will probably also keep as a EDC knife which is why I was mainly wondering on the stats of those two.

Thanks for the information and quick reply though, I really appreciate your time :)
 
I wouldnt buy a cheap self defense knife. There is only one time when a knife absolutely cannot fail on you, and thats when you have to defend yourself with it because all other options failed. the beauty of a knife is that its simplicity almost eliminates failure AS LONG AS ITS EXECUTED WITH CARE!!!

I dont like the steel on either of those models. I suppose if I had to chose, I would go with 440C. As for lockup, the smith and wesson is a frame lock and so is the mantis, however, a framelock does not a good or strong lockup make! I would trust an emerson liner lock over either of those knives any day, it all depends on the specific knfie.

I have nothing against cheap knives for edc, where I have issues is with a knife that you would put your life in the hands of being of not so great quality.

honest opinion: keep saving for the emerson, you will NOT be disapointed, they are worth EVERY penny, and you will probably be happier in the end even if it means going without for a little while.

if you are really convinced you want one of these two: the smith and wesson just because Ive never seen a mantis knife before. at least with the s&w I have some level of predictability with the knife.

I realize the emerson is pretty pricey, and I dont know your exact situation, but I think that with enough determination (and looking around on the exchange) you may be able to get one sooner than you think.
 
Emerson makes good karambits but the thing that has kept me away is my hatred for chisel grinds.. make sure you like chisel grind before you buy it.. however if you only want it for SD then it should be fine.

Since its a folding knife im really really picky about lockup and im not sure i would trust those knives.. ive never handled either but an extra 50 or 100 or 150 dollars.... even if i have to save a while before i get one seems worth is so i dont lose a finger.

Id also recommend checking out the spyderco karambit... it has been discontinued but you can find them online or on the bay for less then 100 usually.

i havent used either but have heard good reports on the 5.11 tactical tarani karambits. there is the journeyman with a plastic handle and 154cm blade (90bucks) and the masters model with g10 handle and s30v blade ($130) these are compared alot to the emerson but less expensive. and tarani is the karambit master so i would hope he wouldnt put his name on junk.
 
however, a framelock does not a good or strong lockup make!
How does it not? Just by gripping the knife, you strengthen the frame lock itself making it unable to close on you in the same way the LAWKS system works on a liner lock.
 
How does it not? Just by gripping the knife, you strengthen the frame lock itself making it unable to close on you in the same way the LAWKS system works on a liner lock.

if the lock does not mate properly with the tang of the blade (something you would probably only see on cheaper knives, or as a defect on a more expensive one) then you will not have good lock up. I dont necesarrily mean closing on your fingers, thats rare even among cheap knives (as long as you buy from a reputable cheap brand like byrd) but rather that you could have a lot of blade play. and honestly if the frame itself is weak and put under stress and snaps at the thin section where a frame lock is bent (again, not a problem on better knives or better cheapos) your hands being there is not going to stop the blade from rotating.

again, not likely, but I am a firm believer that you should take as little chance in these matter as possible.

and I would trust lawks more than either of these knives, though not by a whole lot. I trust emerson's design a whole lot, I trust benchmade linerlocks and I trust spyderco compression locks (and so on and so forth) because those companies have demonstrated to me that they just simply work.

I would honestly say that I wont trust a lock (even a frame lock) unless I have a chance to whack at it and see what its going to do or someone else that I trust does it.

tbh I didnt trust the axis lock the first time I saw it. I thought that accidentally hitting it could cause it to close and chop off your fingers. and thats from benchmade whos locks I trust. then I got to handle it and use it in an EDC role where a failure was far, far less likely to be a catastrophic event.

a lock is not good just because its a frame lock and some company X does it right, a lock is not just bad because some company Y did a bad job.

take your chances when the most dangerous item in the room is your apple.
 
You really want a fixed blade but if that is not an option an Emerson, Spyderco or if you are lucky enough to find one a Cutters Knife and Tool one will be the best available as far as production knives go.

You could also get some really nice custom folders but now your spending a good bit of cash.

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i have this one...... its not bad for its low price.....


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if ya have to have a k'bit (i felt like that until i got one lol) and the 2 ya mention are it, i suppose i would go with the mantis though imho it is one fugugly knife lol. why? because i know for sure S&W isnt very good & i havent seen a mantis yet.


i have seen spyderdco k'bits for sale used for fairly cheap, and i would wager the spydie would be 2X the knife the mantis or S&W is.

i would save my $$ and get an emerson they are imho the best k'bit.
 
Don't buy from mantis. They have shady business practices and they are no friend of these (and other) forums. I second getting a Spyderco karambit. I love mine and the frame lock works perfectly fine.
 
Wow, a lot more replies then I was expecting and I really appreciate the input :D

I was originally leaning towards the Mantis due to the fact that I hadn't heard much about them but have heard a decent amount of people who've had problems from the S&W.

Still trying to decide about the Mantis since it seems to be a split decision on here, although I might just save up for an Emerson. As I said in the original post eventually I am going to buy an Emerson, I just wasn't sure if I should spend that much on my first karambit.

Thanks for the reply everyone, I greatly appreciate the input :)

p.s. does anyone happen to know the website for tarani karambits? If it's karambit.com I've already tried it and everything is either sold out or the link doens't work.

Thanks again :)
 
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Eh, doesn't look to bad but I'm mainly looking for a folding karambit which I will probably also keep as a EDC knife which is why I was mainly wondering on the stats of those two.
There are a few things I would bring up before making any recomendations. First, the karambit style blade isn't really a very good choice as a general purpose EDC knife. There are many, many better choices of that for EDC.

Second, have you trained in a style that uses the karambit? In the hands of someone who knows how to use it, the karambit is probably a prefectly viable choice for SD, but I don't think its a particularly good choice for untrained use. The fighting style using a karambit is not as... intuative as more normal blade styles are.

Of course, if you just want one because you think it's cool, well heck that's why I bought most of the knives I own. :cool:

i have seen spyderdco k'bits for sale used for fairly cheap, and i would wager the spydie would be 2X the knife the mantis or S&W is.
Depends on what you consider "fairly cheap". The Spyderco Karambits seem to be going for well over $100US on eBay. I've also seem to remember reading some critisism of the handle design of the Spyderco Karambit (not a fan of the style, so I can't say why). So, despite my own liking for Spyderco knives in general, it might not be the best choice for a karambit.

i would save my $$ and get an emerson they are imho the best k'bit.
Honestly, you can almost never go wrong buying a knife from one of the quality manufacturers. I'd save up a bit more and try and go with a quality knife like the Emerson. ;)
 
Neither of the Kerambits mentioned by the original poster can, if memory serves, be drawn properly into a reverse grip (right hand) because they're not set up for carry that way. This renders the finger ring largely useless.
 
p.s. does anyone happen to know the website for tarani karambits? If it's karambit.com I've already tried it and everything is either sold out or the link doens't work.

Thanks again :)

That's been the story for as long as I can remember -- that or the knives simply weren't yet produced, or what have you. I'm not entirely convinced the Tarani kerambits exist. ;)
 
mdauben, it's mainly for SD but I also want to make sure it's sturdy enough to be used for a EDC, but look of course is important. (always wanted to start a knife/sword/dagger collection) ;p

Heh, Sharp Phil, yeah, I checked there before this post a while ago and couldn't find any from them and still can't.

I'll probably just end up saving up for an Emerson after reading all of this.

Thanks for all of the quick and helpful replies, I appreciate everyone's time :)
 
The Tarani is easy to find in the Journeyman and Master's model. I own both and carry the Journeyman model everyday because I prefer the lighter weight. They were originally manufactured by Blade-Tech in the USA but the cost kept sales down somewhat and the two models went out of production for a short time. Blade-Tech is still involved in the manufacturing process but have found an overseas factory to make them under the 5.11 Tactical name. They also use this factory to make many knives under the current Blade-Tech name as well. I have had no issues at all with either my Journeyman or Master's model.

The Journeyman uses 154CM steel and the Master's uses S30V. Eventhough the Master's model is a little more expensive I still prefer the Journeyman. The locks are the same on both models. You can find both currently "in stock" at www.knifeworks.com under the 5.11 section and the Master's model is currently "in stock" at www.newgraham.com

The website for 5.11 Tactical is http://www.511tactical.com/browse/Home/Law-Enforcement/Tactical-Knives/D/30000/P/1:100:10000:10600

I own the Mantis MK-1 and two Emerson k-bits. I have carried the Mantis many times but I would personally pick one out myself since I found that the framelocks do not always engage properly from one knife to another. It's not bad for the price. I also like the Emerson combat karambit and many feel that it is the best. I like it alot but I have never been a big fan of the wave opening feature .... but that's just me. Others swear by the wave. Other than that the Emerson is top notch!!

For the money the 5.11 Tactical Journeyman model is my personal preference. I am also anxious to see how the new Boker turns out. If you want to spend alot of money then there are many custom makers that make both folding and fixed blade karambits.

For now the only two real quality production folding versions I would trust my life with are the Emerson and 5.11 Tactical variants. I don't carry a folding karambit as a utility blade. I only carry mine as a back-up (just in case) self-defense blade. That's keeps the blade sharp. Karambits are not the easiest blades in the world to sharpen although the Spyderco Sharpmaker does a pretty good job. The Spyderco karambit was also a good model and very secure but sales were poor and it is no longer in production. The only gripe I had about it was the all steel frame construction. It was just too heavy to carry for me. You can still find them for sale here at Bladeforums and ebay on occasion. For other every day cutting tasks I carry another blade. The 5.11 Tactical Master's model in S30V seems to be much more difficult to sharpen than the 154CM found on the Journeyman model. (Or at least that has been my experience with the few that I have found used and tried to put a slightly sharper edge on)
 
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That's been the story for as long as I can remember -- that or the knives simply weren't yet produced, or what have you. I'm not entirely convinced the Tarani kerambits exist. ;)

sure they do, i've had one, bought from kerambits.com too, i did have to call them vs email, they never responded back to me after numerous tries lol.

FWIW, i got the master model and found it hard to open, and didnt like the large ring (bigger than EKI's) sticking up outta my pocket, just looked "goofy" to me, nothing "low key" about it, to be honest the only thing i liked about it was the fact that it sold so fast when i decided to get rid of it, k'bits arent for me.

and i wanted to like 'em lol.
 
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