which one is tougher?

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HI all, was just wondering.. has anyone found a toughness difference between the Spyderco PM2 or Benchmade Griptilian? both in same steel of course, something like s30v (i think you get s30v in both knives)

sorry if there is already a thread for this topic, if so a link would be appreciated.
 
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There is probably something here already but if I had to place a "which knife is tougher" between the two I would probably land on the Griptillian though they probably are very close. The tip on the PM2 is finer and thus more prone to breaking off on harder use. That and the axis lock is probably going to be a bit more resilient to spine strikes than the compression lock but once again, we are splitting hairs. What exactly are you looking to do with them? There are tougher folding knives than either of these models and of course if you are looking for something that is going to survive damn near everything you throw at it you are best served by a fixed blade.
 
Not sure that question even makes sense. Both will cut very well, used as knives are supposed to; as far as abuse to destruction goes, that's irrelevant.
 
Is this 2013.. 2014 maybe?

just kidding but all seriousness these two have probably been the most compared knives in recent years. Personally I think the Pm2 won that overall war due to a variety of things but mainly, the sprint runs. The different steel models that have come out since the pm2 introduction has allowed it to continue to have popularity even today. also the g10 versus whatever plastic it was benchmade used. Benchmade decided too late to come out with their g10/cpm20cv grip models though they had some success I don’t think they could pull.

personally I like them both for different reasons.. though I will say I like the hollow grind, sheep foot, blade hole (now that spyderco doesn’t own the patent anymore) better than the thumb stud model & also I still have a pm2 but not a grip in a few years. I’ve debated picking up one of the newer hogue models but they just don’t appeal to me anymore. Not that a pm2 does either but I think you get my point
 
Weeeelllllll....

Hell of a question.

You can get the Griptilian in S30V alright... you can also get it in CPM-20CV.... and you can get a couple of blade configurations.

The PM2 can be had in S30V as well... or you can have 52100, or Maxamet, or S110V or....

But let's just say that I myself wanted the tougher blade of the two, given S30V on both?

I'd chose the Griptilian for the tip strength... especially with the Sheepsfoot configuration.

And It'd be a crap shoot whether I was right or not.

Buy both.
 
Buy both.
& there you have the best possible answer - - since no one other than the OP can make the choice according to the OP's criteria.

"Hard use" is a gray area since it can border on both abuse & using a knife for some other task beyond what it's intended use is.
 
"Hard use" is a gray area since it can border on both abuse & using a knife for some other task beyond what it's intended use is.

True, Hal. I like folks who eschew the Kershaw Leek with its "fragile tip" for a hard use knife.

I have used Leeks hard for years and not broken a tip. However, I have abused one and ended up snapping the tip off.

Using a tool hard for it's intended use and abusing a tool are two completely different animals.
 
Is this 2013.. 2014 maybe?

just kidding but all seriousness these two have probably been the most compared knives in recent years. Personally I think the Pm2 won that overall war due to a variety of things but mainly, the sprint runs. The different steel models that have come out since the pm2 introduction has allowed it to continue to have popularity even today. also the g10 versus whatever plastic it was benchmade used. Benchmade decided too late to come out with their g10/cpm20cv grip models though they had some success I don’t think they could pull.

personally I like them both for different reasons.. though I will say I like the hollow grind, sheep foot, blade hole (now that spyderco doesn’t own the patent anymore) better than the thumb stud model & also I still have a pm2 but not a grip in a few years. I’ve debated picking up one of the newer hogue models but they just don’t appeal to me anymore. Not that a pm2 does either but I think you get my point

You can get a Griptillian in M4, 20cv, D2 and of course S30v. They also come in G10.
 
True, Hal. I like folks who eschew the Kershaw Leek with its "fragile tip" for a hard use knife.

I have used Leeks hard for years and not broken a tip. However, I have abused one and ended up snapping the tip off.

Using a tool hard for it's intended use and abusing a tool are two completely different animals.

I agree with this sentiment.

I might get flamed for this; though, I don't really care. I think as a community we really should be a lot more specific with our language.

In this case (and in many internet arguments of "What's the toughest?"), I think the word you're looking for is "durability." Since in the knifespeak, toughness already has a very specific meaning and is a quantifiable/measurable trait of a particular material.

Durability is a much broader term and, at least IMO, it encompasses a broader scope of meaning to include quantifiable characteristics such as toughness, ductility, tensile strength, etc.

Probably the Benchmade since they run a lower hardness.

For your question specifically, D Danke42 pretty much answered it and there's no further need for discussion.

Since you're question is the "toughness" of a specific steel, the lower hardness generally yields higher toughness (and vice versa). This is confirmed through Charpy testing and there's quite a few places that will give you adequate numbers to go off of, including the testing done by resident metallurgist Larrin Thomas.

As far as which knife is more durable and less likely to have components break, C c7m2p3 pretty much nails it.

The saber grind of the Griptilian (unless you're looking at the hollowgrind 550) preserves more of the stock thickness of the steel and has more "meat," so to speak. The sliding-bar style lock also has a larger contact surface compared to the compression lock, so technically, that lock would have more area to dissipate energy. That and BHQ did a lock strength test with various locks and the sliding-bar style lock yielded a higher number compared to the compression lock.
 
id go with PM2, in my experience, spyderco has tighter tolerances, and an overall better product. I've experienced too much blade play with benchmade product and --- not to go off topic, but they are aware of their small blade play and said its typical and accepted within the tolerances and perimeters they set with their knives. but never experienced any issues with spyderco. as with all moving parts, you will have some give, otherwise the interchangeable parts cant co-exist peacefully
 
I know three neighbors whovhave had benchmade knives tips break.
Alot of coincidence given their proximity to one another.
(Not from alleged abuse either).

Buy the knife that appeals to you, that's what I do.
 
True, Hal. I like folks who eschew the Kershaw Leek with its "fragile tip" for a hard use knife.

I have used Leeks hard for years and not broken a tip. However, I have abused one and ended up snapping the tip off.

Using a tool hard for it's intended use and abusing a tool are two completely different animals.

Having carried a Leek for years, I never broke my tip either. A big part of that might be that it was my "office carry". I never tried batoning it through wood or anything. While the thought is absurd, doing stuff like that with most EDC folders would be silly. I mostly used my Leek to open packages and envelopes, cut a piece of loose thread, etc. The main challenge was avoiding the temptation to pry staples with it. (Oh no, I had to take an extra two seconds to grab the staple remover from my desk drawer.)

I had "use the right tool for the job" and "knives are not pry tools" drilled into my head as a kid. Whenever I see people using the blade of a pocket knife as a screwdriver or some such, it's like hearing nails on a chalkboard.
 
I carried a mini-grip for a number of years. Since I bought my first PM2 I stopped carrying the BM. I think they are similar in terms of strength for normal use, I don't know which would win in a destructive test although the PM2 tip seems weaker. I didn't like the hollow plastic scales of the BM but I think there are now some models with G10 scales.
 
If you ignore all the variable blade shapes, different steels, put them both at equal materials and clip point, then I'd say it's pretty even. I can't imagine any significant difference would be measurable.
 
I won't buy Benchmade for personal reasons, but I definitely prefer the Pm2. Unless you are going something beyond the knife's design and capability, tip strength shouldn't be an issue. You could look at the yojimbo as it has thicker stock. For that matter, something from Cold Steel might fit your needs better.

I owned both a full size and mini grip, and they just don't compare.
 
If strength is your primary concern, get a fixed blade.

Edit: I edc a fixed and a folder. My folder is used for slicey needs. My fixed is there for anything needing strength/toughness/etc.

I found that trying to pack all needs into one knife forced me to be dissatisfied all the time. Carrying 2 knives, each more optimal for their respective tasks is much more satisfying.
 
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