Which Quenching Oil is Best for Knives?

Larrin

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I did a big study on different quenching oils (six of them) in addition to water for 9 different steels to see in what conditions the different steels will fully harden. If you have been worried you are using the wrong oil this study is for you. In addition to this fun study, I have made my first YouTube video to present my findings. However, for those that prefer reading or want the version with more discussion and details I still have a written article.

https://knifesteelnerds.com/2021/07/19/which-quenching-oil-is-best-for-knives/

 
I am shocked that Canola performed so poorly :oops: I mean, I don't think anyone expects it to perform AS well as an engineered quenching oil, but still... 😧
 
Very fascinating!

I found it interesting that 1095 didn't fully harden in the heavily recommended Parks 50, but O1 did.

Thank you.
 
I think you're definitely on to an uncontrolled variable regarding the microstructure of the steel as purchased. Reminds me of a time I bought some 1084 from NJSB that was so spheroidized that you had to cycle it up to 1700 or so then normalize in order to get it to harden.
 
All of the myths are falling by the wayside. This was very informative.
Do you have any experience or info on the water additives that are available for steel quenching?
 
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Do you think there's ever a scenario where a brine quench (salt water) is most appropriate?
I am of the understanding it makes water quenching even faster by disrupting the vapor jacket, although I am taking it on faith.

I have been using brine when quenching case-hardened items such as flint strikers.
 
Do you think there's ever a scenario where a brine quench (salt water) is most appropriate?
I am of the understanding it makes water quenching even faster by disrupting the vapor jacket, although I am taking it on faith.

I have been using brine when quenching case-hardened items such as flint strikers.
From what I understand the minimization of the vapor jacket from brine can reduce the chance of cracking so I think it’s worth trying.
 
Based on your Video, I'm getting rid of my Canola oil and I'm buying 5 gallons of Parks AAA. It's definitely worth it.

Anyone want 5 gallons of Canola for their French Fries? :)

PS: I also bought your book
 
Jason beat me to it. Those steels from NJSB are very heavily spheroidized and I don't see that part of the study meaning anything until those steels are at least normalized at a high heat, and then preferably thermal cycled and possibly annealed.
 
Thanks for doing this, Larrin!
I read the article on my phone this morning and this afternoon set out to run my own test of my 1084/canola process. I've been using this combo "successfully" for years, but this made me concerned. Since 1/8" and 1/4" full-thickness pieces don't resemble a tapered blade (I never cook a full-thickness piece of 1084 and grind hard), I went for a small tapered coupon from a scrap.

This piece represents enough steel to forge a paring knife, which isn't a ton. It's just a bit more than a 1" square with a tang at 0.140" thick as delivered from Aldo some years ago. It was convenient.

Process:

1) I ground a symmetrical taper leaving some full thickness behind the plunge, stopping about 0.025" at the edge. Belt-finished with A100 on the bevels, around the perimeter, and gently knocked off the sharp corners.

2) Brought it up to non-magnetic (at the spine) in my forge via a series of heats (so as to not overheat the edge), then pushed it a tad past that color and dunked into a couple gallons of 81F canola (didn't bother to pre-heat for such a tiny piece).

3) Back on the A100 to clean up and get below decarb.

4) I checked the surface at all the marked locations starting at the edge (every 1/8" from the edge) and around the perimeter of the 'blade'. Everything tested out harder than my 64Rc chisel.

5) But what about the *inside*??
I incrementally ground the edge back (keeping it as cool as possible) and tested as I went. +64Rc at every step.

6) That was getting boring, so I ground from the spine down 1/8" and in toward the plunge by about 5/8". Still over 64.

Conclusions:
So obviously this is just one sample, it's small, not kiln-controlled, and the testing method is primitive. But pushing past the current hardness (and beyond what I can test) looks like diminishing returns *for me*. I think my takeaway from this is that I will continue to use my forge/canola process for modest pieces of 1084, or for medium pieces (belt-to-kitchen knife, not monster chopper) for which I can tolerate a somewhat ambiguous mixed structure in the thicker sections. But with awareness that I may be threading a needle.

HOWEVER, I've also been considering switching over to 80CrV2 now that I've started forging, so perhaps this is the excuse to finally make the switch if it's a bit more hardenable. *At the moment* I'm more motivated to keep the canola if it works in within reasonable parameters than to keep 1084 and switch to an engineered product.

Your graphs/data appear to show that O1 is partially air-hardening, which is my experience in small sections.

I don't personally work in 1095, W2, 26c3, but good reminder/confirmation that a faster quenchant is appropriate.

Thanks again for all your sciencing!

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Bravo,

A very information dense video that got my brain buzzing about how things work in detail.

That's a lot of work for each little data point, very grateful you taking the time to share.

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I really liked this graph, really isolates the oils and their quenching speed.

Same time and temp on the austenitizing rather than by "eyeball" in a forge.

I like this, means we get the same amount of carbon dissolved prior to quenching so discrepancies in hardness are due to either carbon staying locked in solution (harder) or precipitating out(softer) because of the slower quenchant speed.

Brilliant.

I also liked that this part in the video showing hardening with .125" (1/8, 3mm) stock.

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It's nice to see more data on canola oil since there isn't any industry data, looks like using the appropriate oil is pretty important for maximum performance in low hardenability carbon steels.
 
Excellent article, I heat treat my 1084 (1/8) with quenchfast and take my stainless to a professional. I had two of my AKS 1084 knives with homebrew heat treat tested, they came out at 60 -/+ 1. I hope that is right, seems to be aligned with your results. I am guessing by graphs, where it matters at edge and approximately half way up bevel is hardened correctly.
 
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One thing that I'm not seeing in your write-up Larrin, and maybe you mention it in the video (I can't watch youtube on the work computer) Was/were the oil(s) preheated at all prior to quench? I would think that would be an important variable. Especially with the canola oil.
 
One thing that I'm not seeing in your write-up Larrin, and maybe you mention it in the video (I can't watch youtube on the work computer) Was/were the oil(s) preheated at all prior to quench? I would think that would be an important variable. Especially with the canola oil.
Yes they were heated to 120-130F.
 
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