Ok here is the deal, I'm getting a ARC AAA and a Innova X5 for EDC. But i want a surefire to take when i need more light than the X5 has to offer. So what model should i be looking at? Runtime is not a issue, if i need long light the X5 has a 20 hour burn time. I would prefer something that uses the same batteries as the X5 just to keep things simple. BTW how bright is the X5, do i need anyhting more powerful? Oh and i want it to be as small as possible since i may carry it with me on some days. Thanks guys.
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Which surefire to get?
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Hi Rifter-
You could go with the M2 Centurion or the E2 Executive. Both of them are hard-anodized (HA) or available in regular finishes.
The M2 costs a bit more, but can be used underwater. In addition to the features it shares with the E2 Executive below, it is also more shock-resistant and is more readily used with a firearm.
If size really does matter, stick with the E2 Executive which emits an obscene amount of light given its size. It is now available with the Pyrex lens, hexagonal head, and lockout tailpiece.
SureFire is an excellent company with which to do business. They are very good people who really put the customer first. Glad I didn't "cheap out" when I purchased flashlights for my family.
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You could go with the M2 Centurion or the E2 Executive. Both of them are hard-anodized (HA) or available in regular finishes.
The M2 costs a bit more, but can be used underwater. In addition to the features it shares with the E2 Executive below, it is also more shock-resistant and is more readily used with a firearm.
If size really does matter, stick with the E2 Executive which emits an obscene amount of light given its size. It is now available with the Pyrex lens, hexagonal head, and lockout tailpiece.
SureFire is an excellent company with which to do business. They are very good people who really put the customer first. Glad I didn't "cheap out" when I purchased flashlights for my family.
~ Blue Jays ~
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Well...My suggestion is, go buy a ASP Triad, which also runs off of 2 123-type cells, throws a beam much farther than any of the 2 cell Surefires, and costs a bit less...BUT for Surefires, the M-2 is overpriced, and I would go with a G-2 with a P61 lamp assembly, which would give you about 20 minutes constant-on, light weight, and excellent durability.
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Another vote for the M2 with P61 bulb.
Size doesnt matter as long as its not too big,but after looking at there site it seems all there lights are small(compared to like a 6D mag-light) Im looking at the 6P with the 120 lumens lamp. Remember i dont need something that im going to use lots, thats what the X5 is for,i need something for short periods of lots of light.
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Maybe so, but the Pyrex lens and the "waterproofness" of the M2 are worth the cost, IMHO.
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The E2e comes in Satin Grey or Hard Anodize finish. It comes with the MN03 bulb as standard. Which is 60 lumens for a 75 minute runtime. It is almost as bright as a P60. But really hard to tell the difference when put side-to-side. There will be a MN02 available later on. It's a dimmer but longer runtime bulb option for the E2/E2e lights. There will be a High Output Lamp Assembly (HOLA) for the E2e lights only later on. I think it's supposed to be around 90 lumens/20 minutes runtime.
The G2Z is due out also. It's basically a G2 in the Z2 configuration. Plus pyrex. It's supposed to go for about $65 which means some dealers will probably sell them around $55-$60. The beauty of this one is you can use the P60/P61 LA's or the KT1 turbo kit if you want.
The G2Z is due out also. It's basically a G2 in the Z2 configuration. Plus pyrex. It's supposed to go for about $65 which means some dealers will probably sell them around $55-$60. The beauty of this one is you can use the P60/P61 LA's or the KT1 turbo kit if you want.
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Dano
Your post got me hunting for information about the ASP Triad. After reading lots of posts on candlepowerforums and not being able to find any information about it from ASP on the web I'm a little confused.
You said the beam is longer on a triad - what is the relative power of the triad over the surefires?
And do you know how long the batteries/bulbs on the triad last?
Thanks
Your post got me hunting for information about the ASP Triad. After reading lots of posts on candlepowerforums and not being able to find any information about it from ASP on the web I'm a little confused.
You said the beam is longer on a triad - what is the relative power of the triad over the surefires?
And do you know how long the batteries/bulbs on the triad last?
Thanks
I do not think that the M2 is not worth the extra other another model of SureFire.
The M2 is a fantastic flashlight. It's top of the line right now for SureFire two cell models. It's feature rich and built like a tank to cope with the worst.
In my experience, if I require longer range illumination then the P60/1 can give me, I would rather carry a 3 cell TurboHead SureFire like the M3T then a Triad. Regardless of the switch that I can't stand because so used to SureFires. The Triad beam can be spotted down tighter but I don't feel it gives me that much of an advantage. A two cell flashlight doesn't have the power to push light out that far. The M3 or M3T can, and give you tremendous advantages if you need to illuminate at those ranges.
I think that everyone should get a SureFire E2e. HA is my preferred version because it does perform. It doesn't get worn, won't get scratched. They look new after months of EDC.
Pyrex Lenses give me more clear white light compared to Lexan. The seals have been improved.
The G2Z is a flashlight to have. Perhaps more so then the E2e. I've only tried one for 15 minutes at a trade show. It was one of the reasons I went to Vegas.
I suggest you consider getting an E2e for EDC and an M3 for those times when you know you're gonna need light. It's a flashlight you can put in a jacket pocket when out at night. Keep in a bag or case with you while your E2e is clipped in your trouser pocket...
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The M2 is a fantastic flashlight. It's top of the line right now for SureFire two cell models. It's feature rich and built like a tank to cope with the worst.
In my experience, if I require longer range illumination then the P60/1 can give me, I would rather carry a 3 cell TurboHead SureFire like the M3T then a Triad. Regardless of the switch that I can't stand because so used to SureFires. The Triad beam can be spotted down tighter but I don't feel it gives me that much of an advantage. A two cell flashlight doesn't have the power to push light out that far. The M3 or M3T can, and give you tremendous advantages if you need to illuminate at those ranges.
I think that everyone should get a SureFire E2e. HA is my preferred version because it does perform. It doesn't get worn, won't get scratched. They look new after months of EDC.
Pyrex Lenses give me more clear white light compared to Lexan. The seals have been improved.
The G2Z is a flashlight to have. Perhaps more so then the E2e. I've only tried one for 15 minutes at a trade show. It was one of the reasons I went to Vegas.
I suggest you consider getting an E2e for EDC and an M3 for those times when you know you're gonna need light. It's a flashlight you can put in a jacket pocket when out at night. Keep in a bag or case with you while your E2e is clipped in your trouser pocket...
Al
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The ASP Triad used to be called the ASP Tac-Lite, and was originally designed to be attached to a ASP baton...The light throws a very far (though somewhat narrow) beam, has a tail switch, aluminum body with foamy-grip, and a really nifty internal focusing feature. They are somewhat difficult to find, but a google search should work...
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Spotting down the focus of the Triad took a while (because you have to focus the beam on a far away point rather then a wall close up)
After putting a few sets of batteries through it, I like the solid feel of it. Shame it's not knurled.
I suppose the plastic lens would have to go if I was to have this long term. I'm not confident about getting the Triad wet.
I've not had any accidental activations but the switch feels weak and soft - difficult for me to use only momentary-on. Also, my hand aches after using it for any more then a few seconds.
SureFires fit my hands. The switches are far more comfortable to use.
I guess I prefer the style, the features, the ergonomics, and the beam.
Although the Triad will produce a tight beam. I get the impression it's straining - trying too hard to be a light it can't be.
Compared to SureFires, it is the best of the rest that I've tried.
Al
After putting a few sets of batteries through it, I like the solid feel of it. Shame it's not knurled.
I suppose the plastic lens would have to go if I was to have this long term. I'm not confident about getting the Triad wet.
I've not had any accidental activations but the switch feels weak and soft - difficult for me to use only momentary-on. Also, my hand aches after using it for any more then a few seconds.
SureFires fit my hands. The switches are far more comfortable to use.
I guess I prefer the style, the features, the ergonomics, and the beam.
Although the Triad will produce a tight beam. I get the impression it's straining - trying too hard to be a light it can't be.
Compared to SureFires, it is the best of the rest that I've tried.
Al
Ok, I have decided to go with the M2, just got a credit limit increase on my Visa 
Its not bad priced seeing as it comes with both lamp assemblys, and its waterproof which is a big plus, so where should i buy it? I dont want to order from www.1sks.com because the only international shipping they have is UPS priced at $85, which is TOTALY FRIKKEN NUTS.
Its not bad priced seeing as it comes with both lamp assemblys, and its waterproof which is a big plus, so where should i buy it? I dont want to order from www.1sks.com because the only international shipping they have is UPS priced at $85, which is TOTALY FRIKKEN NUTS.
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Great choice with the M2. Try http://www.proedgeknives.com/main.htm .
I'm sure Murray can help you out, and they're Canadian.
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NO! Don't do it!
Run away! Run away now! Run fast!
Forget Surefires while you still can! Turn away before they ensnare you into their web of coolness, undermine all semblence of your self-control, take over your time, your life, your wallet!
Resist now! Line your hat with foil and stay away from power lines, don't let what happned to us, happen to you!
Oh, ferget it. The E series is a good place to start, or even the G2 for a "full size" 2X123 SF with P61 capability and able to expand its use with the rechargable kit.
By all accounts, I've heard alot of good things about the ASP Triad, but they're harder to find, and harder to find parts like bulbs for. The beam is supposed to have a little better "throw" than the 2X123 SF with the P60 bulb, but the P61 raises the SF back on top.
The only "full size" 2X123 I have now is the M2, it's expandable to rechargable, to a 3X123 (with the ability to use the P90 and P91 bulbs), and a Turbo Head with the 2X123 and 3X123 Turbo lamps, and, IIRC, both of the M3 lamps as well.
I've found, IMO, that the M2 is worth the extra money (depending on where you purchase). There are enough additional perks and features that make it a phenomenal flashlight.
Run away! Run away now! Run fast!
Forget Surefires while you still can! Turn away before they ensnare you into their web of coolness, undermine all semblence of your self-control, take over your time, your life, your wallet!
Resist now! Line your hat with foil and stay away from power lines, don't let what happned to us, happen to you!
Oh, ferget it. The E series is a good place to start, or even the G2 for a "full size" 2X123 SF with P61 capability and able to expand its use with the rechargable kit.
By all accounts, I've heard alot of good things about the ASP Triad, but they're harder to find, and harder to find parts like bulbs for. The beam is supposed to have a little better "throw" than the 2X123 SF with the P60 bulb, but the P61 raises the SF back on top.
The only "full size" 2X123 I have now is the M2, it's expandable to rechargable, to a 3X123 (with the ability to use the P90 and P91 bulbs), and a Turbo Head with the 2X123 and 3X123 Turbo lamps, and, IIRC, both of the M3 lamps as well.
I've found, IMO, that the M2 is worth the extra money (depending on where you purchase). There are enough additional perks and features that make it a phenomenal flashlight.
