Which Umnumzaan & Hinderer?????

Joined
Feb 9, 2012
Messages
1,720
I've been eying the Umnumzaan more frequently lately and the bug has bitten, there is something about that knife I cant quite put my finger on but it is speaking to me.

The recent pivot revision looks more balanced IMO, I prefer it by a narrow margin but one thing has me stuck - after seeing the Wilson Tactical version which one to get.......your thoughts on this most appreciated.

Also, can anyone who owns an XM and Zaan post size comparison pics - thanks.
 
The newest Wilson's have the small pivot and look really good! If it were me I would grab a new version from Wilson in a heartbeat.

I have the 3.5"XM and Umnumzaan. If no one else does before then, I will post some pictures tonight when I get home from work.
 
i'll get pics up once i get home. Though i only have the 3in xm to compare to. Better than nothing though.

It's nice having an older Umnum now knowing we'll have the original pivot. The crk tool kit kinda lacks and unless you modify it, or don't put any locktite, it's a bit annoying. There have been people who made special tools, which i think are much more friendly in take down. The older ones mid 2011 and before will have s30v as well. So whatever be your preference there.

Personally i will own a new one and not get rid of my old one. For all things Umnumzaan, Haze would be the man to go to if you have any specific questions that don't get answered here.

Go for it Jay
 
Get the Tarzan err star zaan while they last. I do not have Hinderer but I plan to get one (when the dealer prices will be more realistic).

DSC_0258.jpg


DSC_0271.jpg
 
Just ordered one yesterday for my 30th birthday. Will be my first CRK (previously bought a mnandi for my Dad).
Really like the Wilson Combat pattern vs the standard cross hatch patern. I also really like the new pivot design and jimping, looks much sleeker to my eye.
 
no star-tac or 3.5, but a general idea. No idea why PB decided to flip 2 of the pics. Stonewash on the Umnumzaan is just the the XM

20121008_235430.jpg

20121008_235611.jpg

20121008_235926.jpg
 
The old slicer grind is the one to go for, good choice J. :thumbup:
 
Get a Zaan, its definitely worth giving at try and if you do, Wilson combat all the way.

I LOVE my xm18 3.5 and my Zaan and couldn't pick one over the other.
 
I enjoy my Wilson Combat with the new pivot, but find it more difficult to get the perfect amount of tension on the pivot like I can with my older style Zaan.

It either flings open like an auto or I can't open it at all. Perhaps I just need to be a little more patient with it :D
 
김원진;11371454 said:
no star-tac or 3.5, but a general idea. No idea why PB decided to flip 2 of the pics. Stonewash on the Umnumzaan is just the the XM

20121008_235430.jpg

20121008_235611.jpg

20121008_235926.jpg
very nice scale for insingo did it came from CRK or its custom
 
Just ordered one yesterday for my 30th birthday. Will be my first CRK (previously bought a mnandi for my Dad).
Really like the Wilson Combat pattern vs the standard cross hatch patern. I also really like the new pivot design and jimping, looks much sleeker to my eye.

Congrats on the great knife and on your first post. :D:thumbup:
 
Just ordered one yesterday for my 30th birthday. Will be my first CRK (previously bought a mnandi for my Dad).
Really like the Wilson Combat pattern vs the standard cross hatch patern. I also really like the new pivot design and jimping, looks much sleeker to my eye.

Totally missed this! Congrats indeed and a very happy Birthday !
 
I like the new version of the Wilson Star-Tac -- a lot.

Here's a comparison I posted recently in the BF review section:

I was lucky enough to be able to try models from each of the Big Three knife makers -- Strider's SNG, Chris Reeve's Umnumzaan and Hinderer's XM.

Here are my findings:

The Strider SNG is one of the sexiest folders on the market. I can't imagine a knife nut who wouldn't want it or one of its stablemates.

I tried two of the latest SNGs, with the new improved lock. Each had the same defect: while the lock opened reasonably smoothly for a folder of this size, closing it was another story. I lost skin, part of my thumb nail and partial use of my thumb for nearly a week.

I asked Strider for help and never received a response.

I also had lock issues with a Strider SJ-75 Baby Huey I had previously praised on this forum. It, too, had the latest lock.

Out of the box, the Baby Huey opened and closed as smoothly as you could wish for. Within weeks, it was off-center, difficult to disengage and needed constant adjustment. Sadly, this left me without confidence in the Strider locks.

A dealer told me that "Striders are different" and I accept that. Apparently, they aren't for me. YMMV.

I've had excellent luck with all my Chris Reeve folders and looked forward to trying the highly regarded Umnumzaan. I was lucky to find the StarTac version in stock at Wilson Combat.

No sooner had it arrived when CRK came out with a version with a new pivot. Controversy is still raging on the CRK site over whether the old or current version is better. The old version requires a proprietary tool to adjust the pivot; the new doesn't.

I didn't like the idea of having to buy a proprietary tool and exchanged my Zaan for one with the new pivot.

(According to CRK, the new Umnumzaans and the forthcoming Model 25 use a standard 1/8ths Allen wrench for the pivot and a 5/64ths wrench for the rest of the screws.)

To me, the new Zaan has a cleaner look. Like my other Reeve models, it opens and closes smoothly, the detent is perfect and the lock is 100 percent reliable. The Zaan feels like it will not fail you.

Communication with CRK is effortless; the company responds quickly to questions and follow-ups. This is the important second step in building customer confidence, after producing a trouble-free knife. Viewed in this light, the hefty $425 price seems almost reasonable.

As noted throughout this thread, Hinderers are harder to come by and prices for non military or first responder customers approach $1k. By any standard, that's a lot for any production knife.

I went for the 3-inch XM model, which seem plentiful right now -- if you are willing to pay a dealer $885.

With such pricing, it's difficult to put the Hinderer in context with SNG and Zaan. Unlike the Strider, there were no issues of any kind. The flipper and studs work perfectly. And as smooth as my Zaan is, the Hinderer is at least as smooth.

The little Hinderer is the perfect size and weight for my hand or pocket-EDCing.

I earlier remarked that we would have to be on crack to pay such inflated prices for a production model available to other customers for $385. Even so, I bought a second XM from a dealer for $650.

I still can't decide whether I got a bargain or got fleeced a second time.

Finally, here's how I rank the three folders:

Without regard to price, the small Hinderer XM is my favorite. That's based solely upon aesthetics and personal preference.

With price as a consideration, the CRK Umnumzaan is a clear winner. In materials, manufacture, design and customer support, it is second to none and this well-made folder easily ties for first-place.

Based upon reliability, customer service from the manufacturer and my own experience, the Strider SNG doesn't finish the race. Strider fans will have different opinions and I respect their views. Again, YMMV.
 
Just ordered one yesterday for my 30th birthday. Will be my first CRK (previously bought a mnandi for my Dad).
Really like the Wilson Combat pattern vs the standard cross hatch patern. I also really like the new pivot design and jimping, looks much sleeker to my eye.
first post in 4 years :eek: happy birthday and congrads :thumbup:

The old slicer grind is the one to go for, good choice J. :thumbup:
i got lucky on the price, and didnt get raped :D
I enjoy my Wilson Combat with the new pivot, but find it more difficult to get the perfect amount of tension on the pivot like I can with my older style Zaan.
It either flings open like an auto or I can't open it at all. Perhaps I just need to be a little more patient with it :D
i'm curious if other people are having this issue as well with the new pivot, or your kung fu grip is just too powerful
very nice scale for insingo did it came from CRK or its custom
custom-year wait
 
김원진;11372366 said:
i'm curious if other people are having this issue as well with the new pivot, or your kung fu grip is just too powerful

Eh, I spent some time with it, took it apart, put it back together with some fresh grease and loctite. Got it right where I want it now.

As predicted, it was my lack of patience initially.
 
Thanks all for the great feedback and pics, I really appreciate the help.

I tried to order a StarTac - alas, they do not ship to NZ...........NZ is not as strict as Aussy.

Damnit.....
 
that's a bummer, did you try calling them, and asking if they could ship and let them know that NZ isn't crazy with it's restrictions? Worth a shot i say. Or maybe someone here could help out(not back in the states yet, so i can't help >.<
 
Back
Top