Which USB DRIVE?

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4 or 8GB. Use on keychain. Titanium preferred, as well as small size and decent transfesr rates. If you can secure it (password, etc etc), that'd be nice too.
Available from most computer stores or order-able online via paypal and shipped to Canada would do too.
 
The SanDisk Cruzer Titanium would probably be the closest to what youre looking for. It comes in a 4 gig version. It's titanium. And It has encryption software preinstalled. You can order one from Amazon.com for around $70.
 
The SanDisk Cruzer Titanium would probably be the closest to what youre looking for. It comes in a 4 gig version. It's titanium. And It has encryption software preinstalled. You can order one from Amazon.com for around $70.


I'm in Canada though. I'm wondering where the best place to buy this would be.
I'm also wondering if there is anything in the 8gb storage range that is half decent (durability, size, and key chain wise), even if it's not titanium.
 
If you want an 8gb flash drive you should get a Corsair Voyager GT. Sandisk hasn't released an 8gb model yet (afaik), although they should have one out soon.

You can get the voyager at http://www.ncix.com/

I haven't actually used the voyager, but it's got good reviews.
 
Don't.

USB isn't a very fast transfer method. I'd never get more than a GB because it would take too much time to transfer files and/or you may be tempted to keep things on there and not back them up elsewhere.

A USB drive is (used to be) called a "flash" drive for a reason. It is and always was intended to move small files:

Take a power point presentation to the convention center.
Take some photos of the kids to work to print out.
Carry around your resume or book manuscript.
That kind of thing.

That said, I have a Lexar 126MB that I've carried next to nearly everything in my pockets, dropped down the stairs, mudpuddles, etc for years now. They're tough. I'm looking to upgrade to a Lexar 1GB but if I ever need more than 1GB I'll burn a DVD or something.

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My first post on a knife forum and it's about a USB flash drive...go figure.

USB used to be fairly slow at around 12 Mbps. Most newer USB drives (made in the past five years) are USB 2.0. USB 2.0 is much faster at around 480 Mbps. This is pretty fast and will transfer large files with acceptable quickness. The only consideration is whether your computer has USB 2.0 ports. Most if not all computers made in the past five years have USB 2.0 ports. You won't be disappointed.

Don't.

USB isn't a very fast transfer method. I'd never get more than a GB because it would take too much time to transfer files and/or you may be tempted to keep things on there and not back them up elsewhere.

A USB drive is (used to be) called a "flash" drive for a reason. It is and always was intended to move small files:

Take a power point presentation to the convention center.
Take some photos of the kids to work to print out.
Carry around your resume or book manuscript.
That kind of thing.

That said, I have a Lexar 126MB that I've carried next to nearly everything in my pockets, dropped down the stairs, mudpuddles, etc for years now. They're tough. I'm looking to upgrade to a Lexar 1GB but if I ever need more than 1GB I'll burn a DVD or something.

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Also "if I ever need more than 1GB" is the kind of remark that will make you a laughingstock so quick you'll never know what hit you.... :D
 
Also "if I ever need more than 1GB" is the kind of remark that will make you a laughingstock so quick you'll never know what hit you.... :D


To me, USB is fine transfer speed wise. The large storage would be for archival of items on the fly, that may be useful at a later time (note, they would be backed up of course else where, I would never rely solely on just a usb drive, lol.)
Voyager is nicely priced, however, it looks like a damn childs toy. How is it for size / does it fit nicely on a keychain?
Edit :: What's the encryption feature all about on the Voyager? I kind of like the idea of U3 on the sandisk titanium..
 
Looks like that voyager is fast enough, but significantly larger and doesn't have a keychain ring (too lazy to pry one off something else.) No u3 either (not sure how useful that'd be though.)
Still have to think about it I guess.
If I had a side by side photo comparison I think it'd be a lot easier to determine which to get, damnit.
 
A USB drive is (used to be) called a "flash" drive for a reason.

It's called a Flash drive because it uses a memory technology called "Flash Memory." Flash memory is non-volatile meaning that, unlike RAM memory, it keeps its contents even when power is removed. Flash memory is solid-state meaning that, unlike disk drives, it has no moving parts which should make it more reliable. Finally, Flash memory is rewrittable meaning that, unlike CD ROM, it can be erased and used many times.

Flash memory comes in two flavors: NAND and NOR. The difference is in how the memory cell is physically constructed. Google if you're really interested. Bottom line: NOR flash cells are physically larger which means that a given size of chip will contain less memory, and making NOR flash cells is a more complicated process which means lower yields which means higher prices.

So, why would anyone even make NOR flash? Because NOR flash cells are significantly more reliable and NOR flash is significantly more durable.

If you look at the technical datasheets for NAND flash chips, you'll see that they include such specifications as initial bad bits, how many bits of the chip can be non-functional when the chip is brand new; deterioration rate, how many bits can go bad per hour after the chip is in use; write error rate, what fraction of writes to the chip can be improperly recorded; read error rate, what fractions of reads to the chip can be erroroneous; data retention, how long the chip is expected to retain data; and others.

NOR flash is expected to have all bits working initially and keep all bits working through its useful life. It is expected to read and write properly each time, and its retention is several times longer than NAND flash.

In fact, I just checked the technical data for Micron NAND flash and it's only guaranteed for one thousand write cycles. This becomes even more significant when you understand that you can't write to individual bytes. You have to write to whole blocks at a time. So, any time any byte in a block needs to be written to, that whole block must be read out, the byte in question altered, and then the whole block re-written.

NAND flash with its significantly-higher densitities and significantly-lower costs is great for applications where the occational bit error doesn't matter. Consider, for example, an MP3 player. If there's a single bit error, the very worst thing that's going to happen is that you may hear a very tiny tick in the music; but it'll probabaly be so minor that your ears won't even perceive it.

But what happens when this NAND flash gets put into these USB drives (and most of them are NAND flash) and people start storing critical data on them?

Add to this the fact that these thumb drives sell for very competitive prices and, therefore, every vendor is cutting every corner they can. Couple that with the recent conversion to lead-free solder which isn't necessarily perfected yet. And you've troubles.

Basically, I strongly caution against using USB thumb drives for anything important.
 
Gollnick, like I said, this will by no means by a way be something I would rely on, or backup data to, just to use on the run/fly, and have with me at all times.
BTW, you brand up Nand or NOR. I'm taking computer engineering right now. I'm so sick of seeing XOR, NOR, OR, NAND, AND... I've been drawing circuits and writing boolean equations / doing truth tables for the last month, it's driving me nuts.
And damnit, I just remembered today we built a 5 input circuit and he wants us to do a truth table. 32 values. Fudgit! Damn annoying truth tables.
I'm not sure which to go for. The 4gb titanium is a nice size, and titanium, but for a little less then twice the cost I can get the 16gb voyager from NCIX, but I think it's bigger, will take less of beating, and doesn't come with a keychain ring.
 
gollnick is right about not commiting important stuff to a usb drive
encryption can and will be broken if the person is dedicated enough
but that's not even the major concern
if you're anything like me and lose small objects it'll be a major PITA to figure out exactly what data you lost
always keep a backup of the stuff you have on a usb stick
 
I should also point out that NAND flash comes in two varieties: single-level and multilevel. Single-level stores only a single binary bit, a zero or a one, in each cell. Multilevel doubles its capacity by storing two bits, four values, in each cell. But this means that the voltage stored in the cell becomes much more critcal. And so reliability of multi-level flash is even worse. You can guess which type of NAND flash is being used in the smallest and least-expensive Flash devices.

One more tip: X-Ray exposure will lower the voltage stored in a Flash cell. On single-level flash, NAND- or NOR-type though NAND is more succeptible, this can change ones to zeros. On multi-level this can wreck havoc. So, I suggest that flash memory devices not be subjected to X-ray inspection. Fortunately, most of them have so little metal in them that you can put the in your pocket and carry them through the metal detector at the airport.
 
Truth tables have made me a lot of money over the years.

So you work in the computer field? I'm curious if this stuff is applicable later in life if you go into that field, we are working with very very simple circuits (i.e. and circuits with 3-4 gates.)
Damnit can't decide on the Corsair Voyager or the Titanium cruzer.
Anyone think the voyager would still be fine size wise for a keychain, and take a good beating (including being dropped to the ground.)
 
Voyager is nicely priced, however, it looks like a damn childs toy. How is it for size / does it fit nicely on a keychain?
Edit :: What's the encryption feature all about on the Voyager? I kind of like the idea of U3 on the sandisk titanium..

The Voyager looks funny because the exterior is rubber. While it probably isn't as rugged as the titanium, I imagine its a good deal more durable than most of the plastic ones I've seen.

As for the encryption, Corsair's site says it "Includes the True Crypt security application allowing for a virtual encrypted drive using AES-256 encryption (bundled version of TrueCrypt is compatible with Windows XP and 2000 only)."
 
The Voyager looks funny because the exterior is rubber. While it probably isn't as rugged as the titanium, I imagine its a good deal more durable than most of the plastic ones I've seen.

As for the encryption, Corsair's site says it "Includes the True Crypt security application allowing for a virtual encrypted drive using AES-256 encryption (bundled version of TrueCrypt is compatible with Windows XP and 2000 only)."
Don't know if that's worth getting hyped up about.
Anyway, the Voyager GT 8gb is about the same cost as the TI 4gb. I think I might just go for the TI, for the sheer fact I'll probably lose it or it will be stolen before destroyed. It looks super compact too and no cap is nice.
 
I've got a Titanium 2Gb model which I EDC in one of my pockets...somewhere...but what I thought I'd mention as it's somewhat relevant is I also carry a Western Digital Passport Drive in either a pocket or my manbag/briefcase/etc. It's 160Gb, the size of most Pocket PCs or a bit larger than an Ipod and requires only a USB port for power. I've streamed movies off it to a PC and an Xbox 360, music and am able to carry pretty much my entire non-gaming PC's hard drive contents on it. The speed is decent enough to even run World of Warcraft from it. It's going for roughly $100-130 Canadian, I got one at Costco for $120 which isn't much more than an 8Gb thumbdrive would run you for 20x the storage. I know, it doesn't fit on a keychain!
 
That sounds very attractive to me. Bigger is probably better, not so easy to lose....
 
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