White Lightening

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After borrowing a drop from a friend yesterday I bought my own bottle of White Lightening. It's even better than hyped. It made a dramatic difference in almost all of my knives. I'd been using Militec, Tuf-glide, and CRK fluorinated grease. Biggest improvement was in a Sebenza, which floats open now.

Well worth the $6 if you've been hesitating.
 
Derek, check the package, I think they make a whole line of lubes and I'm not sure if they are similar. I was refering to their folding knife and multi-tool wax lube.
 
Originally posted by 92degrees
... White Lightening. It's even better than hyped. It made a dramatic difference in almost all of my knives.

Don't mean to be a complete wet blanket ... but ...

I thought the same thing at first. Then it began to collect and hold grit and pocket debris, due to wax/parrafin content. Made things gritty ... a paste of wax and dirt.

You can clean it out under very hot water, to soften up wax and flush ... sort of.

I went back to oils.

Your results may vary.

Of course, if you don't carry the knife, if it stays at home and out of use, much less an issue.

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I'm a mountain biker too. WL was even worse on MTB chains. Again, others results vary. Some swear by the stuff, some at it.

Back to Prolink and ATB lube, with mineral spirits to clean after every ride and a solvent bath for chain when it gets gritty.
 
Thanks, I'll watch for that. My knives are usually isolated in a my pocket, so they may stay clean.
 
It's what I use, but I just wish the applicator had a smaller tip. the dropper just makes too big drops and makes kind of a mess.
 
must agree w/the above post about it atrracting dirt, etc i used for a while, but now use a teflon based lube and it works better - WL gets 'sticky' imho and experience - but try it ya may like it who knows??

sifu

PS - stuff works GREAT on bike chains though
 
Just thought I'd through in my 2 cents. I'm an avid biker and I've used WL on my chain for years, the stuff works great. However I've been quite dissapointed with it on my knives.

I haven't bought the knife specific one becuase I assumed it was the same stuff with a different label and inflated price. I find the stuff waaaay to runny, great for cleaning but no staying power as a lube.

There is another bike product called "Slick Honey" it's intended to lubricate shocks. This stuff is awesome, about the texture of vaseline yet very, very slick. Sticks right where you want it and provides that buttery smooth action. I highly recomend it. Does anyone else use this stuff??

Regards,
LeSoleilNoir
 
I think that some knives take lubs better than others...

Personally, I like Militec-1, overall I think its the best lubricant, it's great stuff.
mmtmatrix
 
I use White Lightning on my folders, right now, and like it. Haven't seen any problems with buildup, even with the small Sebenza that rides loose in the pocket. When it runs out, I'll try the Militec. Every time one lube runs out, I try a different one. A bottle of lube goes a long way when you've only got a handful of folders, though...
 
rdangerer,
I also use Prolink on my mountain bike chain. I've tried every product out there, and Prolink is absolutely the best. It's actually not a lube, but a metal treatment and ends up absolutely dry and clean on your chain.
Used to use White Lightning (the reg, not the Race Day Version) and liked it a lot. However they changed the formulation and designated it Gen III I think. That's where the trouble began. It built up and collected dirt like crazy. They got so many complaints that the company changed back to the original formulation. I still have a bottle of it that I use for some of my folders, and other people's bike chains. But I save the Pro Link for my bike.
Lenny
 
Maybe I read the bottle wrong, but it says the formula is supposed to be "self cleaning". Something like, when debris becomes imbedded in the wax, the wax somehow breaks off to rid itself of the offending matter. I have used it and some knives seem to like it better than others. For example, a first generation Endura and first generation Voyager just love the stuff. This is were the "makes old knives like new" slogan really shines true. I don't carry knives "loosely" in my pocket, and I don't ever get dirty or gritty. So I can't really speak first hand about the performance of White Lightning in a gritty environment. I do like it otherwise.
 
When I mowed over the summer, I had a Benchmade mini AFCK clipped to my pocket, and the dirt that the mower would throw around loved to collect on the blade. I never paid extremely close attention, but I believe the White Lightning I used on the blade helped alot. It did kinda fall off with the grit. Don't know for sure...I'm gonna use some Tuf-Glide next...
 
I've seen it a Bestknives.com for <$5

I'm sure you can find it elsewhere and I think it's being distributed by Buck, if you have a local B&M store.
 
I have used WL for about a year and a half on my daily carry knives and I love it. I am an office worker and the environment is not especially dirty, but it never seems to attract lint or other crud in my pocket. Both knives I use are Buck models (taclite and oddysey)and the WL really makes them slick openers. Since each of these models ride high in my pocket due to the pocketclip, I suspect that helps keep them out of the lint in the bottom of my pocket.
 
Ok, wet blanket time:

White Lightning contains paraffin, a.k.a. wax. Wax doesn't have much film strength ... i.e. it doesn't hold up to metal-on-metal or metal-on-otherstuff friction. It get's pushed aside, like snow and a snowplow.

Ever wonder why the automotive industry doesn't use wax in their axle grease or motor oil?

Ever notice that heavy industry doesn't use waxy lubes for pump seals or compressor seals/bearings, but use similar lubes as does the automotive industry...i.e. fairly ordinary lube oils?

Any refinery that runs "paraffinic crude oil" will have a 'dewaxing' unit ahead of their lube oil units. A dewaxing unit removes paraffin=wax, because nobody wants wax in their lube oil or grease.

It's because wax is a very poor lubricant. The only reason a waxy lube works on folding knives is because they:
1. usually have thin bushings that are slick by design, and when well designed need a very minimal amount of lube anyway (teflon and bronze are common bushings)
2. are a very low stress environment for lubes. Low pressure, low temperature, low dirt factor usually but not always, low wear unless you are flipping a bali all day.

About the only place I can think of where wax is an acceptable lube is for wooden drawers, and for pocket doors, to some degree, because it can embed in wood fibers (drawers) and stay on rollers/rails (pocket doors) and stay around a while.

I tried WL on my mountain bike chain. All I can say is that I couldn't make it more than about 1 to 1.5 hours into a 2-3 hour ride before my chain started squeaking, especially if we zipped through any small creeks. There simply wasn't enough actual lubricating going on, or "shedding" of dirt going on, to keep the dust/dirt from getting my chain just filthy, stripping off enough lube in the chain pins and rollers to cause metal-on-metal wear. And what did stay around was dirt + wax mixture and that = abrasive sludge. At the end of the squeaky ride, I got to clean dirty abrasive sludge off my squeaking chain. Not good.

I think WL might work ok in some mountain biking situations (light, fine minimal dust maybe), but if so, you have to use a huge pile of the stuff, or stop and lube at the 1-2 hour mark on a dirty/wet ride. I.e., not very cost effective.

There are many superior lubricants out there for folding knives...here are a few:
1. Tri-Flow (very good lubricating properties, easy to find, most sporting goods stores)
2. Militec (on the web)
3. ProLink (bike shops, and yes, it is a metal friction reducer with a carrier)
4. ATB (hard to find, out of Arizona, more metal friction reducers, carried in an oxygenated solvent carrier which evaporates and leaves metal friction reducers behind)
5. Rock n Roll Lube (messy, but effective, contains teflon I think, in bike shops)
6. Teflon bearing greases (Tetra Gun Lube, CRK's "fluorinated grease")

etc...
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3-in-1 oil (just ok stuff, kinda thick, but at least it's lube oil)
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on down to WD-40 (very poor lube, 75% mineral spirits (evaporates), and 24.9% mineral oil, and some other fragrant stuff)
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other poor lubes
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Pedro's Ice Wax
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White Lightning.

I found that just ordinary work, including light duty pocket carry, contributed enough dirt and lint to my folders that I gave up on White Lightning after about a month (Yes, I look like Peanut's "Pigpen"... a cloud of dust follows me where ever I go ;) ).

The Axis lock was especially susceptible to waxy buildup and mild grit/wax sludge in the lock mechanism. Gave it a gritty feel... like I had sand in the lock.

My folders do just dandy with a light lube, usually ATB (my bike stuff), Tri-Flow or BreakFree, and that lasts a long time. WL was very counterproductive.

Just one guy's wet blanke... er... experiences.

Your methods and results may vary.
 
Just went out and bought a kit today; consisting of a spray cleaner, white lightning, metal polish and a brush. I used this kit to "tune up" my new Delica which has been a bit stiff. I have tried many other lubes over the past couple of weeks with limited success.

White Lightning seems to work great! Go figure. I didn't expect it to after what I've just read here. We'll see how long it lasts.

Jeff/1911.
 
White Lightening or Pedros both work fine on knives and Bike chains.The self cleaning properties only apply to Bike chains,especially those ridden on crushed limestone paths leading to the best single track.As far as knife use,they don't self clean anything.You will be lubing more often with the wax based lubricants,but in My experience Your knives will attract less lint.Just My 2 cents worth. No flamming please.tom.:eek:
 
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