Who does the best job with 1095? Rowen/ESEE, Ka-Bar, Russell Green River, or other?

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Who does the best job with 1095? Rowen/ESEE, Ka-Bar, Russell Green River, or other?

What differences do you see?

In terms of heat treat, getting the hardness right, etc. Do they all use the same type of steel?

RGR calls their's "Type C1095 carbon steel"
 
Older Schrade USA knives are famous for their excellent 1095 H/T, this one from 1975. Most run from 59-60 HRc, with great geometry. Slicing machines.

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In my experience, Beckers and Esees are about neck and neck as far as steel quality and heat treatment. Any difference I have noticed performance-wise has been negligible. I think both companies have it nailed.
 
AntDog said:
Which one? I liked cold steel's carbon V.
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http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml



0170-6 - 50100-B

These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation. A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O1, but much less expensive. The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from O170-6, and Carbon V may be 0170-6. 50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel.
 
Ankerson said:
http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml



0170-6 - 50100-B

These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation. A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O1, but much less expensive. The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from O170-6, and Carbon V may be 0170-6. 50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel.
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That is very much appreciated!

So, in the comparison of 52100 vs 50100, would the higher chromium content of 52100 make it better as a knife steel?

Also, any idea of where else 0170-6 is used currently? Is it utilized anywhere?

Thanks Ankerson.
 
Ankerson said:
http://zknives.com/knives/articles/knifesteelfaq.shtml



0170-6 - 50100-B

These are different designations for the same steel: 0170-6 is the steel makers classification, 50100-B is the AISI designation. A good chrome-vanadium steel that is somewhat similar to O1, but much less expensive. The now-defunct Blackjack made several knives from O170-6, and Carbon V may be 0170-6. 50100 is basically 52100 with about 1/3 the chromium of 52100, and the B in 50100-B indicates that the steel has been modified with vanadium, making this a chrome-vanadium steel.
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What's Green River use? It seems softer than, say, Schrade carbon.
 
According to an old post about Green River, someone emailed them, and got this response:

"The blade is Type C1095 carbon steel with a carbon content of 0.95 % . This steel is very similar to type O1 tool steel. We have heat treated and tempered it to a Rockwell hardness of Rc 55-56. It can be treated to a higher Rockwell, but we think this is the best trade off between brittleness and flexibility for a knife blade.

Buck Raper
Manager of Engineering "
 
1) GEC knives for some folders. Too my knowledge they are currently the only people.who offer a liner lock in 1095 carbon steel ( #73)
2) KaBAr for some nice combat knives
3) ontario does some nice fixed blades in 1095
If you wish to go for a custom knife ; then Jack Crain makes ( or at least Made ) a carbon steel version of His Life Support 1 hollow handle knife. He also offered the Sweet Bowie model in 1095 high carbon steel.
Old USA Schrade made some of the best 1095 carbon steel knives that l own
 
AntDog said:
In my experience, Beckers and Esees are about neck and neck as far as steel quality and heat treatment. Any difference I have noticed performance-wise has been negligible. I think both companies have it nailed.
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My experience is the Beckers are a little easier ro sharpen but the ESEE's can be made just a little bit sharper. But I'm really splitting hairs with that. I really like both of them.
 
wroughndt said:
If I remember correctly, Toooj said that the 1095CV they use was essentially the same as the CarbonV used by ColdSteel?
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Cold Steel's Carbon V was produced for them by Camillus. The BK&T knives made by Camillus are made of this steel.
 
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