Who makes a good double-edged spearpoint folder?

I think I've seen a variation of the Gerber Applegate folder that was double edged. Saw it at a gun show.
 
The Sentinel/Dark Star from Benchmade is nearly double edged. With a little work you could get the top pars sharpened.

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One part of making double edged folder is to make both edges to reside inside the handle. BM's knives - if false edge would be sharpened - would cut your pocket or anything inside it.

Gerber has the only double-edged folder that I've seen. It's not the covert version if my memory is working well - so blade is not of ats-34.
 
I have Gerber Covert w/ double bevel blade. Good steel (ATS-34), and liner lock w/ manual safety. It can be sharpened to double blade, but the other bevel is shorter. Anyway, it is long enough (more than 50 percent) to make the knife as near to a dagger as you can get with a production folder.

As far as I know, also the larger Compact model is available w/ double bevel blade, so you have at least two models to choose from. These Gerber folders are based on Applegate's design, so they should be useful in tactical applications also (as far as any folder is, because fixed blade is sturdier).

Ossi
 
Check out the CS tri folder or what ever they call it. It has a double edged spearpoint/dagger blade.Also comes in Tanto shape.
Bob

[This message has been edited by Strider (edited 06-04-2000).]
 
A matter of nomenclature, as I understand it. A knife is not double edged unless both edges are the same length or nearly so (3/4 or more is a common place to draw the line). What you have been talking about is a sharpened false edge, not a true double edge.

The problem with a sharpened false edge or a double edge on a folder, as Tommi so astutely pointed out, is that the secondary edge has to be recessed in the scales, or the damn thing will cut everything it touches. A sheath would be mandatory for an exposed sharp secondary edge.

As a matter of fact, the BM 875 (Sentinel) has a non-sharpened false edge which extends three inches back from the point of the four inch blade (at least on the two specimens I just measured). This would barely qualify it as a double edged blade should the false edge be sharpened. As it happens, the first 1 and 3/4" of the false edge (measured from the tip) is recessed into the scales, and could be sharpened with reasonable safety. Beyond that, the exposed sharpened secondary edge would represent a hazard to the operator.

I think that you might reconsider your project; just what do you hope to achieve with a folder of this nature? I fail to see any merit to this sort of knife at all.

Walt
 
Dear Walt,

Being new to the whole world of high-quality knives I have a LOT to learn. I was wondering what purpose a false-edge serves... I have 1 knive with a false edge... it is a BM 730... Is it just for asthetics or does it actually serve another function?

Ben
 
They are for looks too. Also, it cuts down on the weight as there is less metal on the blade. It deffinitely makes penetration easier. If you don't anticipate stabbing into hard objects accidentally then this format lends itself well to utility/defence.
 
What Alaskan Enthusiast and Crayola have to say is correct. Further, false edges are often left unsharpened as they are illegal in many jurisdictions.

A spear point is worthless for almost any application except stabbing. Or, I suppose, opening letters.
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Walt
 
Even if the Covert may not meet the strict 3/4 " "standard" for a double edged knife, it and its big brother are quite nice. While I would not pick the Applegate folders for utility purposes, I would much rather have the double edged blade if I ever had to use my knife for anything else.

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One aspect that speaks for the Gerber Covert if a folder could actually be used for back slashes is the locking mechanism. It is the only folder I know of that has a manual safety to back up it's liner lock (an important reason for my buying decision). If you back slash with a folder you want to be sure the lock doesn't fail, or you loose fingers. In Covert you can keep your thumb on the safety while using the knife.

BTW, does anyone know how much pressure does the Covert's lock w/ safety engaged take before the lock brakes? Probably much more than most folders. Don't want to break mine to find out.

Ossi
 
Ben,
I don't believe these are on the streets just yet, but you might want to keep an eye open for the MOD Duane Dieter CQD folder. The pre-release specs I saw mentioned a modified spear point blade with a double edge as an option for certain "qualifying" individuals.

Ossi, it also appears that this model will have a manual lock to back up the primary button lock.

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The first production run, Gerber Covert was one of mine first folders. I unfortunately had to learn to sharpen on that one. Unable to keep the point sharp, I finally ended up sharpening the top bevel. Was pretty easy to do. This Covert is more along the line of the Applegate/Fairbairn commando dagger after I was done. The sharpened top swedge retracts fully into the handle, making me think the design was intentional.

Nice knife in the collection. Can't carry it anymore though.

sing

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Col. Applegate intended the knife to be sharpened on both sides. The Combat Folder was the first true "folding combat knife." Although some blades, like the VQ and the Sifu are longer, they are not double edged. The Combat Folder is a large knife and although I have both, I prefer the covert for daily carry. Both knives are essentially as close of a copy as you can make of the famous Applegate Combat Knife.

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