Who makes good custom leather saps?

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mr. right-wing

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I was wondering if anybody here could point me in the proper direction as to finding somebody who makes good customs Saps. Ive always wanted one, and I figure with my CCW, I would have one with me without it being an issue.
 
There were a couple of brothers who were making and selling very nice saps and black-jacks over on EDC Forums a while back. One of the brothers made me a nice, solid little black-jack about a year and a half ago. Good work, too! Check out EDC and do a search, or ask some questions about them on the site. They're all nice folks over there. Oh, and don't assume that a sap or jack is legal just 'cause you have a CCW. Check your state laws. They've been outlawed in many places.
 
mr. right-wing said:
I was wondering if anybody here could point me in the proper direction as to finding somebody who makes good customs Saps. Ive always wanted one, and I figure with my CCW, I would have one with me without it being an issue.
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Why would you believe a CCW allows you to carry a sap?
 
zenheretic said:
according to his location; he doesn't live in Florida
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Well I stand corrected, I could have sworn he had no location listed and mentioned Florida as an example of a state that allowed it. That's what happens when you post at 5:20 in the morning without sleeping :o...
 
markksr said:
Well I stand corrected, I could have sworn he had no location listed and mentioned Florida as an example of a state that allowed it. That's what happens when you post at 5:20 in the morning without sleeping :o...
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:p coffee is your friend; or will at least help you enjoy the pretty colors as you begin to hallucinate.


I wouldn't care but I don't believe the Nevada CCW covers "other" weapons, just the specific guns listed on the holders permit. But I haven't gotten my CCW and he apparently does. So perhaps I'm ignorant on the facts.
 
The letter of the CCW statute in most states makes no mention of knives, saps, etc. In theory a prosecuter could stand up in front of a judge and say, "We don't mind the large-capacity 9mm semiautomatic pistol he was carrying, that was perfectly legal. We are prosecuting him because his pocketknife is 1/4 inch too long and he was carrying a coin purse that we consider to be an illegal weapon," if he wanted to.
 
zenheretic said:
Why would you believe a CCW allows you to carry a sap?
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Howdy fellow Las Vegan. Ive heard you can carry, but quite honestly, I just want a nice Sap. My father was Law Enforcement in Santa Monica, Ca, and he had his old Gonzales sap that he carried back when it was legal. Even if I couldnt carry, Id just like to have a nice custom one.

Thanks everybody for your help so far.
 
I've never considered carrying a sap. After reading the info in this thread, I may of just sparked a new collectable interest. Thanks for all the excellent info.
 
mr. right-wing said:
Howdy fellow Las Vegan. Ive heard you can carry, but quite honestly, I just want a nice Sap. My father was Law Enforcement in Santa Monica, Ca, and he had his old Gonzales sap that he carried back when it was legal. Even if I couldnt carry, Id just like to have a nice custom one.

Thanks everybody for your help so far.
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Everyone likes a good sap, especially in Vegas ;)
 
Cougar Allen said:
The letter of the CCW statute in most states makes no mention of knives, saps, etc. In theory a prosecuter could stand up in front of a judge and say, "We don't mind the large-capacity 9mm semiautomatic pistol he was carrying, that was perfectly legal. We are prosecuting him because his pocketknife is 1/4 inch too long and he was carrying a coin purse that we consider to be an illegal weapon," if he wanted to.
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Yes but when does logic have to go into a legal argument?

Perusing a website about Nevada CCW outlined only the pistols the applicant applied for as allowed. Now if saps are illegal (I don't know) or if he has a long knife (there are length restrictions here, 3 inches in Vegas I believe) then why couldn't a prosecutor argue for a weapons violation?
 
We have three branches of government in this country, and three kinds of law: the statute law the legislative branch enacts, the bureaucratic law the executive branch chooses to try to apply, and the case law as ruled by the courts. The letter of statute law, if you were to interpret it literally and try to apply it to all the situations that come up, is often ridiculous, but that's only one third of the law.

Jim March used to talk about the "giggle test." Can a cop ask the DA's office to prosecute without giggling? Can a prosecuter stand up in court and make the charge without giggling? Can a judge listen to it without giggling? Can the local news team report it without giggling? Can 12 randomly chosen citizens, three appeals courts judges, nine Supreme Court justices -- if anybody giggles at any step along the way it's all off.... :)
 
Ah Jim March, there's a name I haven't heard in forever.

Here in KY, we have a CCDW permit, for Concealed Carry of Deadly Weapons. Knife, sap, billy club, rocket launcher, doesn't matter. If you have the CCDW you are good.
 
I should explain for the newer members Jim March was an active member here (and first moderator of Community) in the early days of Bladeforums. Currently he is working so hard for the right to keep and bear arms that he has no time to hang out here any more, but his old posts can still be read in the archives.
 
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