Who will survive

Hi everyone,

just got a call from a major tabloid...

They want me to view the tapes of the first two episodes and predict who will survive. Hmmmm.... since I haven't seen them yet they are fed exing them to me tomorrow.

How about some help here. Some input...

Who do you all think will be left?

I realize as do you that this is all about personalities (I told the reporter this) but what the heck...

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It wouldn't surprise me that the gay guy is the survivor. I think his name is Richard. He has had some survivor training and his chances of winning are pretty good.
 
Greg, I didn't see the first show but I saw most of the second show. It seems to me that who will survive will have nothing to do with survival skills and everything to do with politics.

Rumor (and I do mean rumor) has it that those who got kicked off will be able to come back and vote later on when the numbers dwindle down.

In a survival situation, you and nature will decide whether you survive or not. Here your "survival" is based on others opinions. And the goal is not survival but money. It's a gameshow with a trendy "survival" twist.

And the sad fact is that it is based on tearing down the tribe. This is not the normal way primitive tribes work. Primitive tribes pull together or they don't survive in the wild. The classic example are the Inuit who survive (actually--survived--times have changed a bit) under the harshest possible conditions known. Their survival is fundamentally based on sharing, not who will win all the marbles.

In essence, it's a warped show, a product of some producer's imagination and greed. Good luck on predicting the outcome of this one based on survival skills. Look for the one with the most political skills because those who appear to be strong "survivors" may appear threatening to others and be voted off. Again--politics.

If you were on that show, Greg, they would use your skills to make their stay comfy but if you threaten others chances of winning the moola, say goodbye when they feel they no longer need you.

The good thing that might come out of this, though, is that there may be a renewed interest among the unwashed in learning survival skills and primitive living. Who knows, it may be a boon for your business.


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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
Hoodoo,

you are so right about the shows target... ie... selling commercials. It is not a good example of survival skills (either individual or as a group).

You are also right about my motive to do the article.... simply free advertising. I am sure that all my comments about the politics and personalities and commercialism...etc will be deleted from the interview and they will print what they want. Hopefully I won't look stupid (this hasn't happened yet but I have been fairly disappointed with the news media...and how they distort an interview).

As long as the web site and book recieve mention in the article... My mission is a success...

I'm sure I will not pick the right one
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but I think it will now be fun to see the process. Kinda like entering a ball game pool... and waiting to see the results (even if the game sucks)

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From what I hear, the "gay guy" (Richard) makes it through at least several more episodes..., so he *could* make it all the way through. OTOH, I don't think he would've been quite so rough on his son, if he'd won
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I think Gretchen (I think that's her name), the teacher, has a pretty good chance. She seems competent, and fairly well liked.

I suspect Rudy won't last too long. He came in second only to Sonja, in votes to be thrown out, in that first episode.

If you want to get their (the participant's) backgrounds, go to WWW.CBS.COM They have all the bio's, and other info.
 
Hi Greg,

I haven't watched the show, since I'm busy on Wednesday nights. However, based on what I've read about the show here and elsewhere, I suggest that you take a Machiavellian approach to your selection. Discard any notion you may have about the value that any of the contestants may have in a survival situation. Instead, focus on the contestant's ability to survive societal combat, both diplomatically and through intrigue and confrontation. That is where you will find your winner. You will be looking for someone smooth enough to navigate amongst highly varied personalities, and sinister enough to know that (to borrow a 'Highlander' theme) in the end, there can only be one.

Reread 'The Prince' by Machiavelli. Your answer lies within.



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Very informative article regarding this program in the current issue of " Men's Journal ". The guy who came up with it is the same guy who came up with the "Eco-challenge" series. British Para, Falklands war vet.
 
Hi everyone... thanks for all the input.

Unfortunately... I will be off line until monday night. Guess I'll watch the tapes and see what happens. I am sure that the social component will play large in my decision (
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which will be based on the dart board theory.... )

Oh well... I am going to have fun with it
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I did see a commercial (I was at someones house today and the tv was on) where the group was in the mud together. Looked like an orgy.... I really want to see it now
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ramius; sheesh! You left the Red October for ARIZONA?? Oh, well; I agree with you that the most societally adept person will be the final contestant remaining.

Of course, it will also help if that person is a bimbo who has managed to 'service' (to put it politely) the most members of the crew and contestant groups.

loser--->
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winner--->
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(formerly whacko) Walt

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I think that young couple that keeps going into the woods together for hours at a time, has a pretty good chance. No doubt they are probably discussing survival tactics.
 
Thank you people:

I was feeling so dumb keeping a TV/VCR around just for when my grandkids visit, and never bothering with it otherwise.
I was wondering if I was missing anything important... I see I'm not.
 
Personally, Greg, I thing they should all be lined up and shot. Or better yet, put on daytime TV with the rest of the geeks.
But if you can get some free advertisement, or whatever that helps you with your program, then take it and run. Just don't take it seriously. Nothing's better than scaming a scam.
 
Originally posted by B. Miller:
I think that young couple that keeps going into the woods together for hours at a time, has a pretty good chance. No doubt they are probably discussing survival tactics.

Yeah, the guy is probably regretting he packed those UNLUBED condoms in his survival kit.
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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
I watched the tape. Had a great laugh. I think I would move my shelter into the deep jungle and say to heck with everyone else (I sure the heck wouldn't build it on the beach). What an interesting group.... I wonder how much editing is occuring...

However, I did enjoy it for its entertainment value... have to admit... watching them bicker was kinda like going to a family reunion... you know, the one where you head for the bar.

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Hi All,
Building on the Beach was the idea of the priducers for the convienience of the camera crew and the viewing hords that know no better.
Dan
 
The original show was conceived by a Scandinavian cable tv-station called TV3 a couple of years ago.
Back then it was called "Robinson" and was a huge success...I never liked it.
As you may have noticed, this is not about survival. It's all about the group interactions. Funnily enough, they seem to use a "formula" for the make up of the group.
The original show had the same types of people.
You had the same deal with the ditzes, the women in bikini's, the old guy, the young "studs" and soforth.
And yes, they have emergency crews present at all times.


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Joshua "Kage" Calvert

"Move like Water, strike like Thunder..."
 
My vote would go to Gretchen, the ex-air force survival instructor with Richard, the corporate trainer a close second.

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