Who's tired of waiting on ESEE's stainless line?

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First of all I love esee knives but they had me waiting on their stainless line for a few years now. They come on every gun and blade shows with a broken promise. How hard is it to produce a 440c steel knife? It's fairly cheap. Plus I bet they have made a lot of money with their 1095s alone. I bet they can price it at almost $200 and people would still buy it including myself. So Jeff and mike what's the hold up Breh? I bet even Rowen is loaded with all the sales that you've made yet I think he's not doing enough investment for his company to grow. Call me nuts but for the past year I would email esee knives quarterly regarding the SS line. They say this year, this year. Are you within the earths solar system?
 
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Why would anyone with experience want a relatively expensive fixed blade stainless steel belt knife?
 
Boats said:
Why would anyone with experience want a relatively expensive fixed blade stainless steel belt knife?
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I'm not a steel snob. I like to buy knives with different steels and bring it on my trips and test the crap out of it. It's just me and I cam sharpen them just fine.
 
Boats said:
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Boats, some of us NEED that knife, for when we're playing Aquaman and have to fight off sharks and monster octopii ! Sheesh!
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This made me chuckle. I agree. Heavy maritime use...I'll use some H1 though.
 
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Come on Boats, there are so e very good stainless steels out there that work very well for fixed blades (mostly medium or small size knives). I'd buy an Izula made out of premium stainless steel, it would make the coating unnecesary and would stand the hot and humid weather of my hometown much better.

Anyway, I'm not holding my breath for ESEE stainless knives. I think 1095 works just fine for what they make, and while stainless versions of their smaller knives (Izula and RC3, for instance) would be interesting, 440C doesn't really appeal to me. It's a good steel, and I'd be fine with it in a budget knife, just like I'm ok with aus8 on my 40 dollar Voyager, but I'm guessing these knives will be somewhat pricier.

ESEE does seem to move their release dates around quite a bit on some products, like their folder as well as the stainless line.
 
I am not waiting, and never have been. If they are going to use 440C, I am just not interested. There are better, more modern steels out there.

Now if we switch the subject to waiting for the ESEE folder, then, yeah, I'm on board. :D
 
Or, the ESEE tomahawk. For that matter, how about Magpul's product introduction line, or some of the others? Yes, they come out with things at the shows where the buying vendors who place orders for 1,000's of items are the main focus. And they aren't getting much feedback to proceed. If they heard from 25 - 50% of those buyers, tho, the item would be in production. Those guys are their customers, if you haven't convinced them, it's not going to happen.

ESEE isn't known for stainless. The customer base is, in fact, obviously not interested. They deliberately bought carbon steel, although I still can't believe they will pay stainless prices to get it. The fabrication, grinding, and finish on stainless is about double the cost, mostly the grinding media and labor. The way the price points are structured, a $200 ESEE 4" knife is custom territory. Benchmades and Spyderco's come cheaper.

I wouldn't put too much stock in what someone says about product introductions at vendor shows. They have to sound out their customers - the guys dropping $5-10,000 an order. We just keep looking and we will find an outdoor knife in stainless that meets our specs - like, the Ontario Blackbird.

This is where the buying public diverges on the real purpose of the tool. If it has to be stainless, they get it, but if it has to be ESEE, then it's not a tool focused purchase, it's the Brand. That is having something that enhances others perceptions of who you are.

Same reason people buy Rolexes and drive 3/4 ton diesel commuter trucks to their desk job at a factory.
 
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Or, the ESEE tomahawk. For that matter, how about Magpul's product introduction line, or some of the others? Yes, they come out with things at the shows where the buying vendors who place orders for 1,000's of items are the main focus. And they aren't getting much feedback to proceed. If they heard from 25 - 50% of those buyers, tho, the item would be in production. Those guys are their customers, if you haven't convinced them, it's not going to happen.

ESEE isn't known for stainless. The customer base is, in fact, obviously not interested. They deliberately bought carbon steel, although I still can't believe they will pay stainless prices to get it. The fabrication, grinding, and finish on stainless is about double the cost, mostly the grinding media and labor. The way the price points are structured, a $200 ESEE 4" knife is custom territory. Benchmades and Spyderco's come cheaper.

I wouldn't put too much stock in what someone says about product introductions at vendor shows. They have to sound out their customers - the guys dropping $5-10,000 an order. We just keep looking and we will find an outdoor knife in stainless that meets our specs - like, the Ontario Blackbird.

This is where the buying public diverges on the real purpose of the tool. If it has to be stainless, they get it, but if it has to be ESEE, then it's not a tool focused purchase, it's the Brand. That is having something that enhances others perceptions of who you are.

Same reason people buy Rolexes and drive 3/4 ton diesel commuter trucks to their desk job at a factory.
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This.
 
tirod3 said:
Or, the ESEE tomahawk. For that matter, how about Magpul's product introduction line, or some of the others? Yes, they come out with things at the shows where the buying vendors who place orders for 1,000's of items are the main focus. And they aren't getting much feedback to proceed. If they heard from 25 - 50% of those buyers, tho, the item would be in production. Those guys are their customers, if you haven't convinced them, it's not going to happen.

ESEE isn't known for stainless. The customer base is, in fact, obviously not interested. They deliberately bought carbon steel, although I still can't believe they will pay stainless prices to get it. The fabrication, grinding, and finish on stainless is about double the cost, mostly the grinding media and labor. The way the price points are structured, a $200 ESEE 4" knife is custom territory. Benchmades and Spyderco's come cheaper.

I wouldn't put too much stock in what someone says about product introductions at vendor shows. They have to sound out their customers - the guys dropping $5-10,000 an order. We just keep looking and we will find an outdoor knife in stainless that meets our specs - like, the Ontario Blackbird.

This is where the buying public diverges on the real purpose of the tool. If it has to be stainless, they get it, but if it has to be ESEE, then it's not a tool focused purchase, it's the Brand. That is having something that enhances others perceptions of who you are.

Same reason people buy Rolexes and drive 3/4 ton diesel commuter trucks to their desk job at a factory.
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Good point but why announce that it will get released? i don't think thats a good practice
 
Boats said:
Why would anyone with experience want a relatively expensive fixed blade stainless steel belt knife?
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I'm not sure I'd want a 440C belt knife given the variety of other widely available stainless steels out there -- some much less costly, like Sandvik 12C27 Moras -- and I wouldn't pay anything remotely near $200 if I did. But if you had experience in tropical environments, you'd understand. :) Seriously, I generally prefer pre-super steel carbon blades in California, the arid southwest, even the rainy northwest -- O1 for multi-day, 3V is fine for day hiking -- but I now prefer stainless when our family takes our annual trip back to Hawai'i. For years there, I carried a patinated Mora or even something much nicer, but even that requires more attention than a stainless blade; so these days and at my age I appreciate the advantages of a good stainless. Also, having kids along usually means that I don't get to care for my tools as needed or as routinely as I'd assumed in my 'earlier life'...
 
I'm tired of waiting. Fortunatly Esee didn't want a deposit ! I could howerver get and Esee 3, strip the finish and stonewash it myself.
 
storyville said:
I'm not sure I'd want a 440C belt knife given the variety of other widely available stainless steels out there -- some much less costly, like Sandvik 12C27 Moras -- and I wouldn't pay anything remotely near $200 if I did. But if you had experience in tropical environments, you'd understand. :) Seriously, I generally prefer pre-super steel carbon blades in California, the arid southwest, even the rainy northwest -- O1 for multi-day, 3V is fine for day hiking -- but I now prefer stainless when our family takes our annual trip back to Hawai'i. For years there, I carried a patinated Mora or even something much nicer, but even that requires more attention than a stainless blade; so these days and at my age I appreciate the advantages of a good stainless. Also, having kids along usually means that I don't get to care for my tools as needed or as routinely as I'd assumed in my 'earlier life'...
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I'm just saying the entire world was explored and settled by people using carbon steel blades.
 
Boats said:
I'm just saying the entire world was explored and settled by people using carbon steel blades.
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So... The entire world was explored and settled by people using sailboats.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't take advantage of new technology that improves performance and eases maintenance.
 
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