Why are natives ignored ?

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To start off, I am Caucasian. I have also lived in almost every environment\region of Canada. So basically I have been around and seen some things. While there are many highly outdoor educated\skilled non aboriginals, I still wonder why native North Americans are more or less ignored by outdoor television. Now and then you see a Caucasian outdoors person with an indigenous wife and or family, but that's about it. Why not go directly to the source, the indigenous peoples that have lived in that environment for thousands of years. If entire TV channels can be dedicated to hunting they should be able to slip in at least one half hour segment for TEK, Traditional Environmental Knowledge. My experiences in various environments is that many native peoples are wary of being exploited. However, when respect is shown a compromise is usually reached. They are just people by the way, with different cultural values sometimes. Many native communities up here are low income and welcome any reasonable work that enhances the quality of life for the people. I suppose that the niche audience for this programming is quite small and a young stud leaping into water falls is more attractive to the soccer mom audience.
 
Advertising dollars control media programming. The native American demographic does not for this model.
 
hunting is a sport, primitive living in the dirt swatting bugs isn't. Most people feel humans have conquered nature and have no need for learning about how to survive without a house.
 
They are just people by the way,

This is just it isn't it. I can't remember where I heard it but it was an anecdotal comment from a native american that when the anthropolgists come in, you have to hide the chainsaws. :D Maybe there's some stuff that's handed down but for the most part first peoples live modern lives and would be just as out of place in the woods or in some cases more so then your random hillbilly. I agree with your premise that you should adopt whatever method is being used locally but I disagree that first peoples are always the best people to learn from. YMMV.
 
Shotgun, I used to work with a Cherokee. A few of us were sitting around at lunchtime and he told us he would be going on vacation in a couple of weeks. He and his wife would go upstate to their cabin and live up there for a while. She would set up a garden and he would hunt.

One of the youngsters asked him, "Are you going to use a bow and arrows?" John almost yelled at him, "What's the matter with you? I'll use my rifle. I'll be hunting so we can eat."

I do think it would be interesting to see documentaries at least of indigenous peoples living outside the urban-technological civilization that attracts so many people now. It isn't easy. Too often, that kind of documentary brings others in to exploit what material valuables are available.
 
I'm not over there but I think what Shotgun said would hold up here too.

In addition I think there's the distillation of information factor. Strip away all the useless chaff and get to the chase.

Let's suppose the end of the world has come and all the weed has shrivelled up. In desperation I'm looking to resort to getting drunk. I need to know a bit of chemistry and a bit of biology of where to find stuff. If I go down that route by looking at what my ancestors did, although it could have some intrinsic interest value, a lot of that is going to be baggage. I don't have to go many centuries back to find a bunch of barely literate folks, surrounded in superstition and gods and other made up stuff, that passed on information couched in tradition and other worthless constructs. If my goal is to get drunk what use it is to know that when I make cider I must prance around yelling Wassail Wassail to drive out the evil spirits. Go back even further and I'm sure it gets worse.
 
Nothing wrong with driving out the evil spirits -- only top -shelf booze in my camp!

You probably don't see many aboriginal Americans on TV because:
A.) they don't live like that anymore.
B.) they are smart enough to stay away from the idiocy of "reality TV".
 
I find it very sad that they are losing the skills they spent so many years honing, many have already lost them completely. The trappings of modernization have caught up with most of them now just as with nearly everyone else.

Best place to find natives around here....Tim Hortons or the local bar....sad but true.
 
I live on a reservation between two others. Most native kids are doing their best to emulate big city thug "culture."
 
Its been mentioned, and I think you stated it in your original post, but real survival and wilderness living of almost any type is incredibly boring, for the most part. It has to be sensationalized for good ratings, a la M vs Wild, and all the drama on Dual Survival and other shows. Plus, TV shows are going to want to put somebody on the show that people identify with and enjoy looking at. The vast majority of people watching those shows, and that are interested in outdoor skills and survival training are whites, so good-looking white males and females are going to be used, primarily. It is what it is, however unfortunate.
 
I've seen a few episodes of either Nova or Nature on PBS based on people in Alaska, Greenland, & Northern Canada. Very interesting, and well made shows. I remember the activities depicted included going under the ice at the lowest tide of the year to harvest mussels and caribou hunting.
 
Is it boring?

I figure the best way to examine that is to look at averages, and I suspect to most people it is boring. It isn't boring to me, far from it, but then I know that I do a few things with extreme passion that I think most people would find boring. On that, it is often me that is in the odd group.

That reminds me of Jack Hargreaves and something he once said. Hargreaves wasn't a mountain man or anything extreme like that. He was just an old bloke with an enthusiasm for fishing and country pursuits. As a personable chap with a good knowledge of farming and countryside stuff they gave him TV shows such as Out Of Town. He'd often broadcast from some old shed and be a bit of a raconteur about things as diverse as ferreting or lark traps or blacksmithing and so on. People would send in old bits of iron this or that and he'd know exactly what its purpose was. I recall him being asked how it is possible to learn so much and he said; “well go down to a farm and peek over the hedge, and ask yourself why everything is exactly where it is, and when you know the answer to that go do it again somewhere else” [paraphrased]. And then he was asked why he had gathered such an encyclopedic knowledge, to which he said; “We were all like it, we didn't have anything else. We would have been very bored so to overcome that we learned the names of all the birds and...”.[paraphrased].

That is a line of thinking that I have never forgotten. There are some things past that I miss or am ready to lament one day because I'm watching them die now. I am also very vigilant though to this when I see the “kids today aren't interested, they'd rather be out getting laid or playing on the Xbox” line trotted out. Stuff like that. Given even what I've seen of what it was like to be a teen growing up the the 1950s, a minime dressed like their parents, in a barren room that would one day be enlivened by the 78, life was inherently a lot more dull than it can be now. There's no longer the requirement to make so much of a mountain from the molehill to relieve the tedium. It strikes me that folks are so much more empowered now they are not the tethered audience they would have been once. I think for many of them watching a documentary on how a tribe processes the sago plant would be no less of a punishment than being forced to watch the queen's coronation in black and white. Given the choice they vote with their feet, and broadcasters know it.
 
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This is just it isn't it. I can't remember where I heard it but it was an anecdotal comment from a native american that when the anthropolgists come in, you have to hide the chainsaws. :D Maybe there's some stuff that's handed down but for the most part first peoples live modern lives and would be just as out of place in the woods or in some cases more so then your random hillbilly. I agree with your premise that you should adopt whatever method is being used locally but I disagree that first peoples are always the best people to learn from. YMMV.

Your comment reminded me of a lady I met about 30 years ago that was from a Island in the Philippines.

When people asked her where she was from? She would politely reply. I am from the Philippines and I grew up in a house much like yours with plumbing and a telephone!:D

Very few people really want to live the life of their ancestor's . Us white guys in modern culture seem to romance the past but having lived in and worked with the local fisherman culture in Penang, West Malaysia in my youth I know that its a ton of hard work to be at a subsistence level of fishing, hunting,gathering etc.
 
We have guys like Abo-dude. Who needs the real thing? They aren't nearly the showman he is. The entertainment factor just wouldn't be there.
 
We have guys like Abo-dude. Who needs the real thing? They aren't nearly the showman he is. The entertainment factor just wouldn't be there.

That, and I'm sure the entertainment industry would turn any Native American outdoors show into just as much cheese (if not more) than all the other shows that already exist in this genre. Careful what you ask for.
 
A friend and myself were both just talking about what exactly constitutes a "Native American" just a little while ago because we both are taking part in a human genome study that is taking place. This film is a result of that same study that is still ongoing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAnx_487if0

Anyway, my reasons for taking part in this study were many fold. As is usually the case I researched the crap out of it verifying the PHD for each person studying me. They find me quite interesting you see. I took part in it because they took advantage of my lack of information about myself. I knew nothing about my bio father and my mother was very tight lipped about it. All my life I was a salesman on the road social as hell. The butterfly and I was quite good at it. I rocked for many years. I was fortunate but in Aug of 98 I nearly died in a car accident. I hit my head pretty good. They cut me out with the jaws of life and when I recovered I was different. As it turns out I was always borderline Aspergers Syndrome but after the accident it kicked in worse. I became awkward socially and if a customer was bored or angry, sad or flat out hitting on me I didn't get it. It changed and as a result I could not do what I did for all those years so I was in good shape although I had no idea what I'd do. I sold my interests and moved on where I started doing what people with my syndrome do. I zeroed in on one or two things which I became quite masterful at. Guess what they were? ;)

You are probably asking about now so Steve what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Esav is probably sitting on the trigger wondering if I've gone off the deep end but I assure you I haven't. I bring it up to point out that in the course of taking part in this DNA human genome study I have also had an intense and completely different history lesson from the one I was brought up to believe. The DNA and archaeological record both indicate that Caucasians were the original occupants of North America and parts of Japan as well as China, Turkey, Scandi countries as we know and a land now gone, a real life sunken continent called Doggerland. This is what our grandchildren will be taught. The dark skinned peoples came here making us move before we came back and we being whites since I'm white as can be apparently and from Dogglerland Scandinavia, Finn, Denmark, Ireland Scottish Brit origins.

So the real question starts to arise that we have been in a mass amnesia as a world not just one or two cultures. There was a cataclysm. Several in series and I understand a new film is coming about Doggerland, the peoples from there, what they accomplished and how it is probably the culture referred to as that sunk under the sea during the last and final oncoming Tsunami that finished the string of islands off the coast of Eire (Ireland) and certain other advances are also being made from this study ladies and gentleman. This is not race or prejudice driven info. This is science being shown to back up a lot of history and myth and what we are finding is that we didn't know the truth. Truth what is that? Truth is serpent mount in Ohio is a clear copy of one found in Ireland. For why you'll have to take part in the study and find out about the DNA to back up those claims. I think the study is closed for now but others like 23andme are doing them and these are affiliated. My case is for people with my syndrome although I am on the other one as well. Feeling like a lab rat at times has its price but I have learned a lot and my encyclopedia like processing has digested and absorbed quite a bit. The linguistics for example are quite revealing. Ancient Gaelic as it turns out is not only very similar to Hebrew with many of the same root words but quite obviously a branch off the same vine and the linguistics show it quite readily. We have a new history being done real time as we think we know the old. When you look at the Synthians and study their language for example the word for Stag is Ayr or Air as I recall and in Egypt the word for stag was Air also and myths from Ireland/Scotland say of a group from Sythia/Egypt with my gene pool came up from there with Milesians between 400 and 600 BC. A Egyptian burial and now more have been found in Ireland, the language and the DNA tie it all together. White people by the DNA these people possessed and they are recorded to have by the Prophet Jeremiah allegedly who was accopanied by a daughter of Pharaoh, Tea whereupon the land of Ireland, the Celts were converted to Judaism after Tea was wed to King Eochaid. Now this is history. Not some bull. Its being told to me as fact after paying some monies to learn about my roots and family history. Aspergers runs on my bio father's side and I have been in touch with my half sisters now to find that out, found along with hundreds of other relatives I have, some very close, all over the world. By the way, Queen Tea is buried in Tara. No joke. The monument has been there a long time.

Its been said to me by a PHD, that the name Warnick, my bio dad's name means "War-Devil" as the Sythian language Nikor = devil. Later War-nick became a title. The Warnicks or Victors, vicotorious ones or clean up crews distributing loot and plunder as they were warlord chieftans. Anyway, same guy that told me that said Ireland was called Eire, the stag was worshiped the stag was Air or Ayr =Aryan = stag worship, the maggi were the wise priests the maggi were the three "Celtic" priests mentioned in the bible go ahead and dwell on that for a while and I'll stop. The point is I have studied history all my life and I didn't know squat!
 
A friend and myself were both just talking about what exactly constitutes a "Native American" just a little while ago because we both are taking part in a human genome study that is taking place. This film is a result of that same study that is still ongoing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAnx_487if0

Anyway, my reasons for taking part in this study were many fold. As is usually the case I researched the crap out of it verifying the PHD for each person studying me. They find me quite interesting you see. I took part in it because they took advantage of my lack of information about myself. I knew nothing about my bio father and my mother was very tight lipped about it. All my life I was a salesman on the road social as hell. The butterfly and I was quite good at it. I rocked for many years. I was fortunate but in Aug of 98 I nearly died in a car accident. I hit my head pretty good. They cut me out with the jaws of life and when I recovered I was different. As it turns out I was always borderline Aspergers Syndrome but after the accident it kicked in worse. I became awkward socially and if a customer was bored or angry, sad or flat out hitting on me I didn't get it. It changed and as a result I could not do what I did for all those years so I was in good shape although I had no idea what I'd do. I sold my interests and moved on where I started doing what people with my syndrome do. I zeroed in on one or two things which I became quite masterful at. Guess what they were? ;)

You are probably asking about now so Steve what the hell does this have to do with this thread? Esav is probably sitting on the trigger wondering if I've gone off the deep end but I assure you I haven't. I bring it up to point out that in the course of taking part in this DNA human genome study I have also had an intense and completely different history lesson from the one I was brought up to believe. The DNA and archaeological record both indicate that Caucasians were the original occupants of North America and parts of Japan as well as China, Turkey, Scandi countries as we know and a land now gone, a real life sunken continent called Doggerland. This is what our grandchildren will be taught. The dark skinned peoples came here making us move before we came back and we being whites since I'm white as can be apparently and from Dogglerland Scandinavia, Finn, Denmark, Ireland Scottish Brit origins.

So the real question starts to arise that we have been in a mass amnesia as a world not just one or two cultures. There was a cataclysm. Several in series and I understand a new film is coming about Doggerland, the peoples from there, what they accomplished and how it is probably the culture referred to as that sunk under the sea during the last and final oncoming Tsunami that finished the string of islands off the coast of Eire (Ireland) and certain other advances are also being made from this study ladies and gentleman. This is not race or prejudice driven info. This is science being shown to back up a lot of history and myth and what we are finding is that we didn't know the truth. Truth what is that? Truth is serpent mount in Ohio is a clear copy of one found in Ireland. For why you'll have to take part in the study and find out about the DNA to back up those claims. I think the study is closed for now but others like 23andme are doing them and these are affiliated. My case is for people with my syndrome although I am on the other one as well. Feeling like a lab rat at times has its price but I have learned a lot and my encyclopedia like processing has digested and absorbed quite a bit. The linguistics for example are quite revealing. Ancient Gaelic as it turns out is not only very similar to Hebrew with many of the same root words but quite obviously a branch off the same vine and the linguistics show it quite readily. We have a new history being done real time as we think we know the old. When you look at the Synthians and study their language for example the word for Stag is Ayr or Air as I recall and in Egypt the word for stag was Air also and myths from Ireland/Scotland say of a group from Sythia/Egypt with my gene pool came up from there with Milesians between 400 and 600 BC. A Egyptian burial and now more have been found in Ireland, the language and the DNA tie it all together. White people by the DNA these people possessed and they are recorded to have by the Prophet Jeremiah allegedly who was accopanied by a daughter of Pharaoh, Tea whereupon the land of Ireland, the Celts were converted to Judaism after Tea was wed to King Eochaid. Now this is history. Not some bull. Its being told to me as fact after paying some monies to learn about my roots and family history. Aspergers runs on my bio father's side and I have been in touch with my half sisters now to find that out, found along with hundreds of other relatives I have, some very close, all over the world. By the way, Queen Tea is buried in Tara. No joke. The monument has been there a long time.

Its been said to me by a PHD, that the name Warnick, my bio dad's name means "War-Devil" as the Sythian language Nikor = devil. Later War-nick became a title. The Warnicks or Victors, vicotorious ones or clean up crews distributing loot and plunder as they were warlord chieftans. Anyway, same guy that told me that said Ireland was called Eire, the stag was worshiped the stag was Air or Ayr =Aryan = stag worship, the maggi were the wise priests the maggi were the three "Celtic" priests mentioned in the bible go ahead and dwell on that for a while and I'll stop. The point is I have studied history all my life and I didn't know squat!

thats a whole lot to digest without any supporting evidence.
got any..evidence? links?

I dont know, i am a history major with a love of learning about the past. I suspect the truth of the history of humanity is both much more mundane AND wondrous than we imagine.
 
I live on a reservation between two others. Most native kids are doing their best to emulate big city thug "culture."

Yes, it is getting that way up here also. I first heard about drug gangs forming on northern reserves about 3-4 years ago. The Elders on these reserves have traditionaly been held in the highest regard, but that is crumbling quickly also. There are still traditional pockets here and there though.
 
thats a whole lot to digest without any supporting evidence.
got any..evidence? links?

I dont know, i am a history major with a love of learning about the past. I suspect the truth of the history of humanity is both much more mundane AND wondrous than we imagine.

Yes, it is getting that way up here also. I first heard about drug gangs forming on northern reserves about 3-4 years ago. The Elders on these reserves have traditionaly been held in the highest regard, but that is crumbling quickly also. There are still traditional pockets here and there though.

You guys watched all seven parts of that link off the channel already? The evidence is coming out. Geneticists and those that are involved are making sure of it. Its not just DNA. Again, history, myth, and the archaeological record are supporting it as well as linguistics. Fraya a Norse god and away the F you have the root for the same words as Eir, Ere, Ar, Air, Ayr and its just another version of the same word describing the same thing only from one culture to another. The PH in Phoenician and the Fesian and other derivations of that root are same people. DNA and all the above are supporting it. 23andme pay the piper and join in. They are usually running specials and you'll find out about your family lines, diseases, health threats and more as well which can benefit more than just yourself. Your grandkids as well can gain from it. One PHD told me that they are not able to rewrite the history books fast enough for the data coming in now. Everyday they make new discoveries. One of the most recent and controversial is the Ashkenazi Jew found in like 80% or more of all Jewish peoples tested which is causing many to say they have no Semitic so therefore no claim to the land they currently hold. They are in fact showing to be Caucasian Turks most of the time. So much so that the only groups they are having trouble taking part in the study now are Jews. So honestly I'm surprised you have not already seen that as the same places are involved in those findings as well as those of the Indian tribes being Polynesian as described in the video link provided. DNA science that would put any of us in prison if we were guilty of a crime is not always matching up to what we have been told. In some cases its painting a new picture of history and in others it proves the stories or myths told. Surprisingly in some others it shines light on some old theories shot down years back that ended up being true. They provide complete reference lists of a host of authors, many of which are not even listed for looking them up in professional circles here in the USA as they are Ireland and UK based.
 
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