Why are US made knives so bloody expensive?

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I get the price hike of foreign knives, but why are the USA made knives so jacked up?

The Benchmade 9400 used to cost $220 now it's $300. When are these prices coming down? Anyone have any insight?
 
Spyderco had to drop a few prices this year (first time I remember them doing that), their increases over the last five years aren't nearly what they were the decade before that (still up 80-100%ish in 13-15 years by my email receipts), they're coming out with new "lightweight" (read: cheaper) models more and more, and even like the Millie 2 is cheaper than the original ($280 vs $340 MSRP for the base model). Maybe we're getting close to peak market prices for standard production.
 
I get the price hike of foreign knives, but why are the USA made knives so jacked up?

The Benchmade 9400 used to cost $220 now it's $300. When are these prices coming down? Anyone have any insight?
How many years ago was it $220. Annual inflation rate was pretty high for a number of years. Compound interest is a cast iron ... tire.

$220 with a 5.5% anual interest rate compounded for 5 years is $287.53. And we know the interest rate was higher than 5% for a spell.
 
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Because the smaller knife industry within the bigger knife industry where all the "made" in USA knives are from are on a mission to prove to buyers that "USA" knives are somehow better than the rest of them.
 
Probably because knives are not made of "knife". They are made of steels, handle materials, screws, sheaths, etc. All of that stuff comes from somewhere, and some of it is only made in one place.

So if you take top quality materials, some of which have to be sourced other places/countries, shipped here, and then pay living wages to people to put them together, things are going to be higher.
 
As a knife maker (who is not doing business here until I purchase the proper membership) I cannot speak for production knives, but I can speak for handmade knives to a degree. I've obsessed over breaking down costs numerous times so I consider myself somewhat well-prepared to answer this question.

If you purchase a large sheet of steel, rather than "convenience pieces" from high-priced retailers, you may be out $5 for the blade steel--but that's just the blade steel.
A 12"x12" sheet of Ultrex micarta is around $50 if I recall correctly, and I can generally get about 10 sets of handle scales from a piece that big, so if we do the math, that's $5 in micarta per knife.
We can assume that you'll use a buck or two in G-flex epoxy.
Loveless bolts are $2 a piece, and I use two per knife, which is $4
Lanyard tubing is about $1 per inch, let's say, unless you're buying in bulk.
Kydex is cheap, a sheath sized piece might be $2 and eyelets are 10 cents each and that isn't even worth including.

So let's round up and say that we're at about $20 in raw material so far. But you aren't going to make knives by shaping them with your bare hands. You need tools and consumable materials and so forth...

A ceramic belt for a 2x72 grinder is about $7 on average, and during the making of one singular knife you're likely to create the equivalent of one belt's worth of wear, due to partially using up more than one belt, so to speak.
Sandpaper is cheap but let's say you'll use about $1 worth.
Heat treat varies, because some people do it themselves, some people pay another individual to do it, and some rely on industrial services like Peters, so let's say that on average, whether it's from running the oven, using stainless tool wrap or paying someone else, heat treat costs $10 roughly.

This puts us, very roughly, at $40 in cost of materials, consumable resources and heat treat. Great! So why can't you just buy a fine handmade Woodlore or Loveless style knife for $40?

Well, you see, there are these pesky things called workers, and unfortunately they have to be given a few bucks for their trouble. Making a good knife takes time, and for some people it may take less or more time, but let's say for example that it takes 8 hours to make one singular knife, and if a knife maker is giving himself, say, $20 an hour for his craft, his knife comes out to about $200 in cost. Now if he goes to the post office and stuffs it in a small flat rate box, that's another $10, which puts his net profit at about $150 give or take.

This isn't even considering other expenses like the cost of new tools, replacing semi-consumable items like drill bits, and paying goddamn taxes on everything you do.

I'm starting to realize that certain people make that much (or more) working at Walmart... I'm kind of depressed now.
 
As a knife maker (who is not doing business here until I purchase the proper membership) I cannot speak for production knives, but I can speak for handmade knives to a degree. I've obsessed over breaking down costs numerous times so I consider myself somewhat well-prepared to answer this question.

If you purchase a large sheet of steel, rather than "convenience pieces" from high-priced retailers, you may be out $5 for the blade steel--but that's just the blade steel.
A 12"x12" sheet of Ultrex micarta is around $50 if I recall correctly, and I can generally get about 10 sets of handle scales from a piece that big, so if we do the math, that's $5 in micarta per knife.
We can assume that you'll use a buck or two in G-flex epoxy.
Loveless bolts are $2 a piece, and I use two per knife, which is $4
Lanyard tubing is about $1 per inch, let's say, unless you're buying in bulk.
Kydex is cheap, a sheath sized piece might be $2 and eyelets are 10 cents each and that isn't even worth including.

So let's round up and say that we're at about $20 in raw material so far. But you aren't going to make knives by shaping them with your bare hands. You need tools and consumable materials and so forth...

A ceramic belt for a 2x72 grinder is about $7 on average, and during the making of one singular knife you're likely to create the equivalent of one belt's worth of wear, due to partially using up more than one belt, so to speak.
Sandpaper is cheap but let's say you'll use about $1 worth.
Heat treat varies, because some people do it themselves, some people pay another individual to do it, and some rely on industrial services like Peters, so let's say that on average, whether it's from running the oven, using stainless tool wrap or paying someone else, heat treat costs $10 roughly.

This puts us, very roughly, at $40 in cost of materials, consumable resources and heat treat. Great! So why can't you just buy a fine handmade Woodlore or Loveless style knife for $40?

Well, you see, there are these pesky things called workers, and unfortunately they have to be given a few bucks for their trouble. Making a good knife takes time, and for some people it may take less or more time, but let's say for example that it takes 8 hours to make one singular knife, and if a knife maker is giving himself, say, $20 an hour for his craft, his knife comes out to about $200 in cost. Now if he goes to the post office and stuffs it in a small flat rate box, that's another $10, which puts his net profit at about $150 give or take.

This isn't even considering other expenses like the cost of new tools, replacing semi-consumable items like drill bits, and paying goddamn taxes on everything you do.

I'm starting to realize that certain people make that much (or more) working at Walmart... I'm kind of depressed now.
But at least you don't have to see. The people of Wal-Mart live and.in color and smell every day...😉.......Worth a drop in pay to work at home...👌
 
As a knife maker (who is not doing business here until I purchase the proper membership) I cannot speak for production knives, but I can speak for handmade knives to a degree. I've obsessed over breaking down costs numerous times so I consider myself somewhat well-prepared to answer this question.

If you purchase a large sheet of steel, rather than "convenience pieces" from high-priced retailers, you may be out $5 for the blade steel--but that's just the blade steel.
A 12"x12" sheet of Ultrex micarta is around $50 if I recall correctly, and I can generally get about 10 sets of handle scales from a piece that big, so if we do the math, that's $5 in micarta per knife.
We can assume that you'll use a buck or two in G-flex epoxy.
Loveless bolts are $2 a piece, and I use two per knife, which is $4
Lanyard tubing is about $1 per inch, let's say, unless you're buying in bulk.
Kydex is cheap, a sheath sized piece might be $2 and eyelets are 10 cents each and that isn't even worth including.

So let's round up and say that we're at about $20 in raw material so far. But you aren't going to make knives by shaping them with your bare hands. You need tools and consumable materials and so forth...

A ceramic belt for a 2x72 grinder is about $7 on average, and during the making of one singular knife you're likely to create the equivalent of one belt's worth of wear, due to partially using up more than one belt, so to speak.
Sandpaper is cheap but let's say you'll use about $1 worth.
Heat treat varies, because some people do it themselves, some people pay another individual to do it, and some rely on industrial services like Peters, so let's say that on average, whether it's from running the oven, using stainless tool wrap or paying someone else, heat treat costs $10 roughly.

This puts us, very roughly, at $40 in cost of materials, consumable resources and heat treat. Great! So why can't you just buy a fine handmade Woodlore or Loveless style knife for $40?

Well, you see, there are these pesky things called workers, and unfortunately they have to be given a few bucks for their trouble. Making a good knife takes time, and for some people it may take less or more time, but let's say for example that it takes 8 hours to make one singular knife, and if a knife maker is giving himself, say, $20 an hour for his craft, his knife comes out to about $200 in cost. Now if he goes to the post office and stuffs it in a small flat rate box, that's another $10, which puts his net profit at about $150 give or take.

This isn't even considering other expenses like the cost of new tools, replacing semi-consumable items like drill bits, and paying goddamn taxes on everything you do.

I'm starting to realize that certain people make that much (or more) working at Walmart... I'm kind of depressed now.

Thank you for taking the time to provide a detailed cost breakdown. That is much more meaningful than simple historical comparisons that don’t factor in compound interest, more expensive super-duper steels that customers want, and things they can’t predict or control like huge increases in medical and every other insurance cost.

I have a lot of respect small knife makers who can make it work to yield a very modest profit. Keeping track of every cost detail like you do is key to making it work. The makers who don’t are the ones who ultimately burn-out, go broke, or otherwise fade away.

Best of luck to you in your endeavors!

Phil
 
How many years ago was it $220. Annual inflation rate was pretty high for a number of years. Compound interest is a cast iron ... tire.

$220 with a 5.5% anual interest rate compounded for 5 years is $287.53. And we know the interest rate was higher than 5% for a spell.


My bad, $229 not $220... but to answer your question, 4 years ago. Here's the proof.

You can see in the video the price is $229 on BHQ, and the video is dated 4 years ago.
 
You pay, the company owner/shareholders mainly, extra for the country of origin, the ability to say your knife is US made, whatever that means percentage-wise. They need to make money, from you. :) Their average US customer seems happy to pay that much, as they sell well.

People are paying that much for Jack Wolf knives though, and they are not US made, but have good build and are a popular brand.

In both cases, If people were not buying them, they could have been cheaper, by how much I do not know.
 
They cost more because we pay our workers in America saner wages and benefits than China. The US has been subsidizing Asian shipping costs as well, but that’s changing.
 
Are American workers earning enough money? Are there any money left, after all expenses (food, taxes, doctors, fuel, education....) have been paid?
If anything, knives should cost way more, with a large share going to the actual workers.
 
There's nothing further to be added to this discussion which has not already been hit on...and which doesn't venture into areas not suitable for GKD...(Politics / Economics).

So we'll leave it here.

The choice of where and upon what to spend your money remains with you. Choose that which is important to you, and what you want to support.
 
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