Why autos are illegal in some areas

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Aloha to all. I was wondering if anyone out there knows why autos are made illegal in some states? I don't understand it. In Hawaii, autos are illegal. But it is okay to carry a fixed knife (any size) or folder just as long it is not concealed on your person in Hawaii. I would think a with a fixed knife you don't have to deploy the blade - it is ready to go as soon as you remove it from the sheath which I think is more threatening. With an auto you have to depress a button or move a slider to deploy blade which I find a bit more safer.

Could someone enlighten me about this issue? Mahalo in advance.
 
aloha! got some family over there in kaneohe. first post i have seen from an islander.

anyway, i imagine it has alot to do with perception. an auto is no more dangerous, in and of itself, than any other knife. what people will be afraid of or intimidated by is often anyones guess. perhaps the aggressive look of a blade, autos initial association with gangs, ala james dean movies.

they now have a stigma attached and is likely irreversible. california laws are just as strict as hawaii's, maybe more so.
 
Actually from what I have seen, neither California's nor Hawaii's laws are especially strict. Maui, carrying folders concealed in Hawaii is perfectly fine, as we went over in the Hawai laws thread ... In fact I don't think it's a very good idea to carry them unconcealed.
 
Actually from what I have seen, neither California's nor Hawaii's laws are especially strict. Maui, carrying folders concealed in Hawaii is perfectly fine, as we went over in the Hawai laws thread ... In fact I don't think it's a very good idea to carry them unconcealed.

Hehehe! Yes, now I remember we talking about that in another thread I started. I can see how having it out on your belt might lead to some issues and confrontation. I'm just don't understand the logic of making autos illegal. The Kershaw assisted opening knives deploy just as fast as some autos. Some Spyderco knives looks very intimidating especially when the edge is serrated. I've got a Spyderco Manix that looks like it should be in a horror movie:). I guess what morimotom said about autos having a stigma and the illusion of being more destructive may have some substance to it.
 
irony is the wave and assisted openers are as fast or faster than autos. ca law has an exemption in the switchblade definition. paraphrased it basically says a knife is not a switch blade if opened with a thumbstud or a detente is present which predisposes the knife to the closed position.

an auto must have a mechanical trigger, be spring loaded, gravity driven, or opened by a flip of the wrist, ie balisongs.

there are many ways around the laws, such as having a blade under 2 inches, spring assisted as opposed to spring loaded, and the wave.
 
Why? Here's why:

James Dean, Rebel without a cause.
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West Side Story.
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That's why. Thanks Hollywood.
 
Laws are frequently illogical and counterproductive. Some pampered Ivy League wussy gets frightened by the very idea of something, whips all those other pudgy momma's boys into a frenzy, and then we've got a new law preventing us from owning / doing / saying something they find distasteful (under threat of imprisonment and permanent demotion to "2nd class citizen" status).

The knife laws vary greatly from state to state. In some places the blade has to be under a certain length, in others it has to be worn openly, and some places prohibit autos, balisongs, Bowies, double-edged knives, or even folding knifes that can be "flicked" open by pinching the blade and whipping your arm. I've heard that some legislators have their eye on assisted openers and serrated folders next.

The switchblade prohibition was a direct result of the "juvenile delinquent" movies of the 50s. They specifically had in mind cheapo imported stiletto side-openers (like the crap you see with plastic grips and swing-guards). High quality American-made autos, like Microtech and Benchmade, are currently in high demand amongst our troops deployed overseas, and as many of them return home -- some with upper extremity amputations -- they may be inclined to lobby to have this ridiculous and archaic law repealed.

What teenaged gang member is going to mug someone with a $400 Microtech, when he can get a Lorcin .380 for less than $100? Automatics are useful and valuable tools, and as most of them have lightweight single-edged blades under 4" in length they're not as effective as the far more common kitchen knife or screwdriver in a fight. By their nature, most automatics are less durable than a fixed blade, balisong, or sturdy folder -- that's the trade-off for the convenience of instant access. They are a small sporting / utility / emergency knife that can be opened by pushing a button -- nothing more.
 
Thanks gentlemen for your personal insights about why autos are so despised by lawmakers and sheeples. I think autos just has a bad rap over the years and now it is pretty much regulated in much of the US. I doubt there could be a chance that the restrictive laws could be repealed because it would not benefit the majority of the population.
 
Here's a good example of brilliant legislation regarding autos. . . .

Switchblades are illegal to possess in NY, but there are a few exemptions. Law enforcement officers (but not EMTs or firefighters) can carry one, as can any law-abiding citizen with a valid hunting, fishing, or trapping license while engaged in said sport. For anyone else it is a class A misdemeanor (up to 1 year in jail), unless one has a prior conviction for any crime, in which case it gets bumped up to a class D felony (3-7 years). This applies even if the knife never leaves a locked safe in your home.

A museum in upstate NY, in the same town where automatic knives were made about 100 years ago, had a few examples on display behind glass in a locked display case. Someone was so terrified of the bad knives they filed a criminal complaint against the museum, and it went to court. The court ruled that the museum needed to remove the springs and make these valuable antiques inoperable, or they'd be confiscated and destroyed! Yet some goober with three teeth and a fishing license would be allowed to keep one in his tackle box.

"In order for us to respect the law, the law must be respectable."
 
Laws are frequently illogical and counterproductive. Some pampered Ivy League wussy gets frightened by the very idea of something, whips all those other pudgy momma's boys into a frenzy, and then we've got a new law preventing us from owning / doing / saying something they find distasteful (under threat of imprisonment and permanent demotion to "2nd class citizen" status).

I doubt it's us "Ivy League Wussies" as you put it. I was in an Ivy and nobody had any problems with my knives. The real problem is the sheeple. The everyday sheep you see every day who are easily misled into following a "crusade" against whatever object those in control choose to vilify for political gain. And the fact is that sheep are A: everywhere, and B: Stupid.

The "Ivy League Wussies" as you put it aren't actually afraid of knives. We carry them, because we know that the laws will very rarely be applied to us in our nice clothing and nice cars and spotless records. We can depend on officers of the law to give us a warning, or use discretion because we don't look like a threat. Some of us have bodyguards who carry automatic weapons, while at the same time we campaign for gun control.

It's not the "wussiness" of those in charge that is the problem, it's that they exploit the wussiness of the general populace. Face it. We're a nation of wussies, or we wouldn't put up with all this crap.
 
Thanks gentlemen for your personal insights about why autos are so despised by lawmakers and sheeples. I think autos just has a bad rap over the years and now it is pretty much regulated in much of the US. I doubt there could be a chance that the restrictive laws could be repealed because it would not benefit the majority of the population.


as far as i know they are legal in many states, arizona, utah, new mexico.
 
Partridge, its the corduroy jackets with suede elbow patches that give all of us Ivy types a bad name. But you're right, we're less likely to be hassled than someone in a black trenchcoat, oversided hooded sweatshirt with the hood up, or ultra-flat-brimmed ball cap and bandana.
 
id move to arizona if it werent soo damn hot! Utah, i dont know about (no its got nothing to do with the mormons, their pretty chill) I just dont know all of it laws especially those regarding guns -- anybody wanna chime in?
 
id move to arizona if it werent soo damn hot! Utah, i dont know about (no its got nothing to do with the mormons, their pretty chill) I just dont know all of it laws especially those regarding guns -- anybody wanna chime in?


open carry law, cash and carry purchase, dude its like heaven.
 
in one store there was a .50 cal barret type rifle on display, in front of the counter with the ammo right next to it!!!!

utah is the anti-california, and there's a brand new cabelas just outside provo. nuff' said!!!
 
I wonder what encouraged or at least aided the lawmakers to be so liberal about autos in those states that allow sales and ownership. I think it would be a stretch to see auto restrictions being lifted or made less restrictive in states that don't allow them.
 
Why? Here's why:

James Dean, Rebel without a cause.
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West Side Story.
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That's why. Thanks Hollywood.

Actually, I believe that the first teen exploitation movie to use switchblades was "Blackboard Jungle" which opened in August, 1955, while "Rebel Without A Cause" opened at the end of October, 1955. And "Blackboard Jungle" was much more of a shocker to the middle class white population of the mid-1950s that "Rebel" ever was. My parents had no particular objection to my seeing "Rebel", but they forbade be from seeing "Blackboard". I saw them both in first run, of course.
 
Absolutely- well SAID! I agree.......I don't even see most police folks carrying $400 Micros.......its usually a $29 knife from Walmart or better yet...the RAZOR knife from HomeDepot. Anyway- well said! Thanks- RUNTRUNNER
 
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