Why I prefer Alcohol/Gas to Wood stoves

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This past weekend, I took a short overnight trip and for the fun of it, carried both a Trangia burner/Mojo stand combination and an Emberlit wood stove.

The experience really drove home to me why I prefer alcohol/white gas stoves to wood stoves, at least for the kinds of trips I take.

To understand why, you need to understand where I typically go and why.

This week's destination was Ethan Pond near Crawford Notch, in New Hampshire. The pond sits at 3000', which in NH means it's solidly in the boreal forest. The line between open hardwood forests and boreal happens at around 2500'.

Ethan Pond by Pinnah, on Flickr

Look along the banks of the pond. See the camp spots? You can't because really there aren't any. The boreal forest is just too thick.

This what a "clearing" looks like in the boreal woods. It's also amazingly flat since it's near a height of land. Normally the boreal floor is tipped up on edge.

Boreal forest near Ethan Pond by Pinnah, on Flickr

This is super open, actually, that's why I took the picture. Normally, you're hard pressed to walk off trail in this zone.

Notice also the fragile moss. The top soil here is very, very thin and gets very few months a year to process what little organic material is here.

The reason I'm mentioning this might be quite shocking to many readers who aren't from the US Northeast. Here it is....

Tarp at Ethan Pond by Pinnah, on Flickr

This is a tent platform. It's one of 5 or 6 at the Ethan Pond shelter and camp site. The terrain is rough enough and fragile enough that hikers are strongly encouraged to localize their impact by staying in established camp sites with platforms. Deeper in the established Wilderness Areas you will see localized marks of prior camp sites. The terrain pretty much demands it. Different people walking through the same area end up camping in pretty much the same areas.

This area is also high volume in terms of the amount of traffic. Deep into October and all but one of the tent platforms and the 3 sided shelter were all full.

The bottom line here is that wood harvesting is hard on the land and actively discouraged. I got to the shelter and found a sign posted by the USFS and AMC discouraging fires of any kind.

So, I did this....

Silky Pocket Boy 170 by Pinnah, on Flickr

I found some dead fall balsam and cut it up. This wasn't entirely cricket, as the Brits say, but there you have it. I set aside my greenie sensibilities for the sake of the experiment.

I sectioned the wood and split it with my Mora. It took, I dunno, maybe 20 or 30 minutes start to finish.

After the wood was cut, I brewed up some hot chocolate. I've been using the Emberlit for about a year now. I'm OK with it. Not a god or demi-god yet, but OK. It's really finicky and this coming from an owner of a Svea 123. It's also smoky.

Later that night, when I made my evening meal, I used my Trangia. Like the Emberlit (and Svea and any other stove), the Trangia takes some practice. Still, the difference was huge. The Trangia is comparatively fast. It doesn't smoke. It is almost entirely devoid of drama. It runs more or less with no attention needed.

The next morning, I awoke to the first snow of the year (for me). Snow, high winds and cold.

Snowy morning at Ethan Pond by Pinnah, on Flickr

With the Trangia (and a good windscreen) I was able to stay in my warm bag and cook breakfast while reclining on one elbow. With some care and some risk (of burning holes in fabric or suffocating due to CO poisoning), you can cook under tarps or in tent vestibules with an alcohol/gas stove.

If camping means going some place where gathering wood can be done with minimal damage and if camping means spending time in camp farting around with a camp fire, a stove like the Emberlit makes a lot of sense. The fire has a nice charm and the Emberlit minimizes impact while making the fire more manageable and useful.

But for me, hiking means going somewhere far and getting there tired, wet and cold. I don't want a fire. I want hot tea and I want to be in my tent or under my tarp. I want a drama free and more controllable fire. I want something that will work when I'm not working well and when it's blowing sleet sideways. I want an alcohol or gas stove.

I also want a lighter pack. I don't want to carry a saw or a big knife.

This isn't a condemnation of wood stoves. I can see their utility in the low lands for sure. And I'll still carry mine on XC ski tours this winter. But, there's no question for me. Alcohol/gas stoves work better for where I go.

Thanks for reading.
 
every type of stove is going to be a compromise to some extent. No one type or fuel works best in all locations, for all people.
Glad you found something that works for you, and in the area you find yourself. :D
 
Nice. I use a 6oz. Nomadic Stove Co. Trekker wood gas stove as my "windscreen/pot-stand" for my alcohol stove. Choices are good for reasons illustrated by your post.

Wood fires are not the best choice for some places/times/situations, but can be very useful for some places/times/situations.

Alcohol stoves are light, simple, and easy.
 
Awesome pics, thanks for sharing :thumbup:

I have no personal experience with alcohol stoves but always loved my propane stove, but went on a longer outing (a month in Sweden) this summer and just couldn't carry the fuel I needed for this trip. So I started looking in to wood stoves and eventually ended up buying a Solo stove and pot combo. I absolutely love it, & funny enough for most of the reasons you mention not liking them for.

I just love having a fire, & the smoke often helps keeping the mosquitoes away as a bonus. I often keep it burning for hours even when I don't have anything to cook. I can processes enough wood to last me a day in about ten minutes or so when just for cooking (more if I want to keep it burning for the entire evening of course) so it isn't too much work neither.

I have come across similar terrain as in your second picture by the way, interesting that you mention that (I haven't seen anyone mention it before anyway) and thought it was absolutely terrible. It was really hard to walk on -especially with a heavy pack-, and I couldn't find a flat spot for my tent for the life of me! I eventually ended up walking back to an old dirt road and set up camp right there & decided to avoid such terrain in the future & luckily managed to do so for most of the trip. It was beautiful there, especially when the fog came in, but it was just to energy consuming with the load I was carrying (lesson learned there..) & there weren't many wild edibles as far as I could recognize neither. Wood wasn't a problem there though, I just removed some branches from a fallen dead tree like the one in your picture.

I'm still curious about them and will probably try a Trangia too some day. But I just know it would be just for "quickies" and would never replace a "real fire" entirely for me. Luckily you can use one with the Solo so I'll still have a great excuse to carry both ;)
 
Hey Pinnah,

Can you recommend a good web site that can explain the difference between types of forests? I tried googling, but just keep getting really political stuff. I'd like to know what the definitions and differences are, thanks.

Beautiful pics, BTW.
 
I use a butane stove ($2.50 for one catridge) and a cheapie $15 piezzo ignition gas stove. It's the easiest and fastest for my type of camping. clean burning fuel and no additional scrubbing of pots and pans required. That being said, I'd like to try one of these gassification type stoves for when I may not be able to find butane catridges.
 
Hey Pinnah,

Can you recommend a good web site that can explain the difference between types of forests? I tried googling, but just keep getting really political stuff. I'd like to know what the definitions and differences are, thanks.

Beautiful pics, BTW.

Sodak,

Wow, I tried Googling too and found next to nothing. I was particularly shocked that there was nothing on the USFS site, despite the fact they use the terms. I wonder if they just assume that local know the local terms? In any event, all hail Wikipedia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England/Acadian_forests

In the vernacular, boreal = coniferous forest.

Another common term here is "krummolz", which is the transitional zone between boreal and the alpine zones on the mountains where the winds stunt the trees.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummholz


Krumholtz by Pinnah, on Flickr

Here is another nice article that describes a bit about the forests here.
http://www.randolphmountainclub.org/multimedia/publications/foursoldiers/foursoldiersguide.html
 
Love those shots of the krumm -- I can almost smell the clean cold air. Mt. W is favorite place for my wife & I. Four trips up, three on foot through Tucks. Funny to finally approach the summit area and hear car doors slam....and the shriiiieeeek of the locomotive whistle..... You have to laugh.

And just to keep this on-thread, we used our Svea 123 when we overnighted at one of the Hermit Lake shelters (open front). Bought in the late 70s. Still have it, still works fine.
 
Pinnah,

Interesting question.
The answer is it depends.
There are so many factors

No drama is a very good phrase

For many years, I used an Opitmus 99 purchased the early 70s, which is very similar to a Svea 123
It come in an aluminum container that you cook in the lid
I have a cold weather mini-pump and I use unleaded car gasoline
A liter of car gasoline lasted ten days, including real cooking of lentils and rice dishes
You need to know how to use it
It has started up every time, even in -30 weather without a hitch
No drama....

My hiking/backpacking style has always been the ability to stop, make a brew, and carry on.
Perhaps because I grew up in England and hiked the British Mountains
There is no wood for fires
In Army Cadets (ROTC) in high school, we had Hexamine stoves and British Army mess tins
We would stop on the side of a hill, take out the hexi stove and mess tins and in 10 minutes we would have our hot brew of tea

The no drama is also to make camp, get out of the driving rain and cook hot food
Where hot food is the mechanism to keep the body temperature up
I never used fire to keep warm, high calorie intake works for me.

Now I am in Israel, where quantities of downed wood is scares
So all that is available is small twigs and little branches, these are exactly good for the Emberlite stove
And they are fun to use
There is the good drama of splitting the branches feather sticks and building a little fire
Or on the beach, camping on the Sea of Galiee, having a contained fire in a fire pan for coals and BBQ
My daughter and her boyfriend visited us there, and we served then smoky tea
"Ah Daddy I knew we would find you with a camp fire"
Wonderfully good drama

But when I am walking and want a cup of coffee or tea, out comes the "Gazia" as we call it here, the butane stove
5 minutes and we are drinking a good hot cup
No drama

When I go to England hiking, I use the Trangia "stormkök", or "storm kitchen"
It is the self contained base, wind shield, with the pots, fry pan, or kettle nesting inside unit
It is bomb proof, fool proof, and totally simple to use even in blowing wind
I have the 27 that has two 1 liter pans and a small 0.6 liter kettle
Just right for two people
No drama, just hot food

There are also weight factors:
The weight of a wood stove Vs a gas or alcohol stove
The weight of the cutlery and saw to cut and process wood fuel Vs the weight of carried fuel
Weight of a heavier gauge SS cookware for burning in a fire Vs lighter gauge aluminum on stoves

No right or wrong
Just self contained and self supplied stoves works for me
Leave nothing but your footprint
 
Sodak,

Wow, I tried Googling too and found next to nothing. I was particularly shocked that there was nothing on the USFS site, despite the fact they use the terms. I wonder if they just assume that local know the local terms? In any event, all hail Wikipedia.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England/Acadian_forests

In the vernacular, boreal = coniferous forest.

Another common term here is "krummolz", which is the transitional zone between boreal and the alpine zones on the mountains where the winds stunt the trees.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krummholz


Krumholtz by Pinnah, on Flickr

Here is another nice article that describes a bit about the forests here.
http://www.randolphmountainclub.org/multimedia/publications/foursoldiers/foursoldiersguide.html
Thanks Pinnah,

I was pretty surprised at how little was out there, especially from sites that should have more. I know nothing about this area, and will appreciate learning more!
 
Made my own alcohol stove. Dirt cheap and simple to make. Works just as well as any store bought/factory made alcohol stove. The furnace/duct tape is not necessary. I used it simply for aesthetics.

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I'm a huge fan of the Swedish Trangia stove systems (25 & 27). Not the lightest or most portable system but it holds everything you need in one self contained unit. You pretty much can't kill them... just add alcohol.
 
Great photos Pinnah!

I've been through the Wht. Mtns. but only limited limited stays on our way up to Whitneyville, ME. I Wish I would have had more time to explore, truly some beautiful country. You brought up some great points about alcohol/gas options too. Saying we got a lot of rain while out there would be an understatement. Though we had a bonfire or two going throughout the week even in rain, when it came to doin up a lobster boil in the middle of nowhere for over 100 people, gas was the best bet. We had plenty of wood on our friends property, but would have taken a week to eat. Back then I had a knockoff trangia I carried around for making coffee, eggs or ramen on the road, or when in ME, cooking under your tarp in the rain.

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My experience with alcohol stoves is more related to where I'm usually found in the CA woods. It's been drier here than I've ever seen in years, and as much as I love using my Emberlit, it's sometimes not worth the risk of being "that guy" that sets the woods ablaze, the fireants really abridged those compromises now. While not perfect, it's nice to be able to still have a hot cup of something without having to be paranoid about embers and ash. We do have a lot of protected areas, but it's such a big state, there's plenty of places where deadfall gathering and burning is sometimes promoted. Wildfires do promote growth for species like the giant sequoia. Natures all about balance, so I follow it's lead. Plus I think having a trangia and some fuel is a handy backup for any emergency kit.

What's your take on the "height" for your trangia on the fireant? I've been playing with a few different things stacked under instead of using the cutouts to get that sweet spot.
 
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B3ANS, I miss California, particularly Yosemite and Sequoia. Fond memories living near and hiking in the Ventanas/Big Sur area but Yosemite, Whitney and Death Valley all kept a part of my heart when I came home.

When I was out there I used white gas (Svea) exclusively and if I returned, would stick with that or a canister stove. One thing I've noticed with alcohol stoves is their propensity to "boil over" on occasion, especially in windy conditions. The fuel can super heat, boil and then you've got a (non-explosive) flaming mess and bingo, you're that guy.

I'm anxious to hear from those who have one how the FireAnt does with the Trangia. I'm concerned that there isn't enough head space to get an efficient burn. More to the point, my experience is that even in the Emberlit, the Trangia needs a real windscreen around it to get decent boil times. Given the height of the Emberlit, this requires either a really tall screen or a kludgy lift to the wind screen.

image by Pinnah, on Flickr

That's kind of a pain to set up. I've concluded that (for me) trangia/emberlit is an either/or thing.

I'll use one or the other but don't try to get them to work together.
 
Yea I hear that, the boil over thing can get annoying without a good windscreen, and equally scary if one doesn't know how to put out a fire quick.

I've seen less, but some mention on here of clothing systems in leiu of fire, which was how I learned. Dress for success.

Lurked your flickr to see some nice Rando bikes!! Great builds! I'll havta post up my trail Hunter soon.
 
B3ANS, would love to chat bikes. Bike touring got me into camping and backcountry travel!!

I would think a nice Pass Hunter build would stay inside the confines of the sub-forum. I ride my "road" bikes on single track all the time!

I wonder what sort of knife Jobst Brandt carried on his tours in the Alps? I'm betting an Opinel. Yup. That's my bet. Anyway... here's to Jobst.

Jobstian Path by Pinnah, on Flickr


Tying this back to the topic, for bike touring in the US, alcohol stoves are the way to go. I toured with a Svea and can't tell you the numbers of gallons we bought only to toss out 1/2 of it cause we couldn't carry enough. Also much harder to find. HEET or similar is available at just about any gas station.
 
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