Some of you may have read my post in the "Gunter" thread where I commented on the need to keep the pivot tension snug. Well, this applies to all knives with an adjustable pivot screw, and I do, indeed, keep mine so on any carry knife. Last night, I went to take my Salsa out of my pocket to put it away for the night and found that the blade had started to open in my pocket. Now remember, the Salsa carries Tip Up, not my preferred mode, but I like it anyway. I was very fortunate in not cutting myself or my pants and was able to extract the knife and I still cannot figure what happened to start the blade opening, especially given the distinct detentes holding it closed that Spyderco builds into the model. I have adjusted the pivot tension very tight and I am now considering dropping the knife from my work daily carry mode as I can not afford to have this happen again. And that is why I distinctly prefer Tip Down carry.
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Why I prefer Point Down carry
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ARtsig1
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I prefer tip down also and do the same thing with my pivots. I tighten them down to the point where I want them to be and then I don't have to worry about inadvertant openings in the pocket. I usually take out the pivot screw and apply a drop of blue loc-tite using a toothpick into the pivot then put the screw back in and tighten it to my desire and that takes care of everything. Only tip up knives I've had were the Sebbies and I never, ever had a problem with them opening in the pocket.
I bought one of the new CRKT Hawk DOG's. Couldn't wait to carry it.
I never carried a knife with a pocket clip before until recently and never had given any thought to a tip up or tip down before.
The DOG is a tip up design.
I cut myself twice before posting in here and getting some advice about carrying the blade toward the seam of the pants.
That's worked well except for one time a couple of weeks ago when I carefully reached in and slit the end of my finger again. I've tightened it up some more and have had no repeats but I'm a very frustrated buyer now and don't think I'll ever get another tip up design.
I never carried a knife with a pocket clip before until recently and never had given any thought to a tip up or tip down before.
The DOG is a tip up design.
I cut myself twice before posting in here and getting some advice about carrying the blade toward the seam of the pants.
That's worked well except for one time a couple of weeks ago when I carefully reached in and slit the end of my finger again. I've tightened it up some more and have had no repeats but I'm a very frustrated buyer now and don't think I'll ever get another tip up design.
Bretheren, at times it seems we're in the minority, but we must hold strong.
I too am an ardent fan of tip-down carry. The only knife I ever carry that isn't is also a Salsa. As soon as I can find someone to sell me a clip for a Spyderco Lum Chinese, that'll be tip down too.
For me, it's not so much a security issue (though that is important). I just like to have all my folders open the same way, rather than switching back and forth.
What I really would like are more large knives, 3.5" blade and longer, that had a tip-down lefty clip. There are a real shortage of them.
I too am an ardent fan of tip-down carry. The only knife I ever carry that isn't is also a Salsa. As soon as I can find someone to sell me a clip for a Spyderco Lum Chinese, that'll be tip down too.
For me, it's not so much a security issue (though that is important). I just like to have all my folders open the same way, rather than switching back and forth.
What I really would like are more large knives, 3.5" blade and longer, that had a tip-down lefty clip. There are a real shortage of them.
Im with you on the familiarity thing.
I poked my finger on a tip up before. Can't remember which one but it wasn't my Benchmade Ares, which I carry quite a bit.
Thats a pain but the biggest problem as I see it is that I built up a familiarty with my CQC7 being tip down that I still find confusing when switching back and forth.
For me its a more deeply ingrained motion to pull up, switch grip around and thumb open a tip down blade.
Using both will cause confusion in a high stress situation and could be fatal.
Under stress the body reverts to earliest training and will fail to take into account newer information. Such as your carrying a different type of knife that day.
Ideally all my knives would be tip down. But that leaves too many out.
To make up for it I play with all of them constantly.
I poked my finger on a tip up before. Can't remember which one but it wasn't my Benchmade Ares, which I carry quite a bit.
Thats a pain but the biggest problem as I see it is that I built up a familiarty with my CQC7 being tip down that I still find confusing when switching back and forth.
For me its a more deeply ingrained motion to pull up, switch grip around and thumb open a tip down blade.
Using both will cause confusion in a high stress situation and could be fatal.
Under stress the body reverts to earliest training and will fail to take into account newer information. Such as your carrying a different type of knife that day.
Ideally all my knives would be tip down. But that leaves too many out.
To make up for it I play with all of them constantly.
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Forgot to mention that I do have a tip up knife and I carry it fairly regularly in my left rear pocket. It is a BM 710HS. It does not seem to have any problem staying closed when it should. Of course I have tightened the pivot on this one also and that probably accounts for it.
It's not acceptable if your knife opens in your pocket and it's not stuffed full of things to grab on the hole, stud, disk to open it. If there is one absolute design requirement for a knife, is it stays closed when closed. If your knife is manufactured by someone with a lifetime warranty (e.g. Spyderco, Benchmade, etc.) or if your within warranty (e.g. 1 year for Coldsteel), send it in. It will be fixed. Most manufacturers don't accept liner locks that open in your pocket.