Why isn't the sebenza more copied?

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Now that I own one, I really understand how fundamentally simple these folders are. Why don't other companies copy this design (ie. pivot bushing, male/female screws instead of tapping into handle slabs, etc.)?

Maybe they do and I just don't know which brands/knives these are.... ...or maybe it's patented??

It's such a simple, yet great design - I'm just surprised you don't see all knife manufacturers copy it.
 
I believe the Sebenza is one of the great knife designs of cutlery. Very simple but yet I have not found it's equal. The design is pure genius. The Sebenza carries so well and works great. My only complaint is that the blades are too thick as now being produced. After Tom Krein reground my small classic Sebenza it is NOW perfect.
RKH
 
It is copied a fair amount, look for a couple of fakes threads in this forum.

I think the whole point of copying is to cheap out the manufacturing as much as possible, which some have done using liner locks and aluminum handles.

A good copy costs alot of money to make, and for most companies, it's outside their market range so they wouldn't sell as much as one would think. There are several Ti frame locks out there, but they are a different design.

If any half reputable company started making a close copy, they be crucified on the forum. Looks how much "bradley" (EG Benchmade) got flack for comparing themselves in advertising to the sebenza. Can you imagine if it looked even more like a sebenza?
 
you can find fake sebenzas on ebay. they are linerlocks and looks like crap
 
I wasn't thinking of fake sebenzas, or even making it look like a sebenza... ...but why don't manufacturers copy the pivot bushing concept and male/female screws? It seems so simple and is what makes the knife so great.

Benchmade could make a knife with axis lock - but has these features and it would dramatically improve their knives....
 
why would we want that? we want Sebenzas to stand out from the rest. :0
 
I agree - I'm glad it's not copied. I guess I'm just surprised that other knife manufacturers haven't adopted this.
 
I don't think the companies care about their reputations. I think that the reason that other companies don't do the pivot bushing is that the tight tolerances required to do it right is not easy (or cheap) to do.:cool::p
 
I think DaveH and Scott Dog got it. To improve another knife by incorporating Sebenza technology would increase cost as well, and failure to achieve Sebenza quality while doing would adversely reflect on the company.

Meanwhile, other companies do have titanium (or other) handled framelocks in S30V. The best of these, like the Benchmade Skirmish, are distinct designs which learned from CRK without blatantly copying.
 
I'm surprised Benchmade stopped short on the Alias and didn't include a bushing. It's got everything else, save for the tolerances and league of fanboys.

Edit. Never mind. Now I see Scott Dog's post above, about the bushing/cost thing.
 
I think its copied basically everytime someone makes a frame lock, especially a quality built one whether it has a bushing in the pivot or not. First there was the Chris Reeve frame lock. All others came after Chris did it. So to me they are all indebted to him including myself for the very concept.

STR
 
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