Why no g10 option on the lightweights?

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So basically why isn't there a permanent g10 option for the endura delica and stretch? They make a g10 native and a frn native witch gives you options in terms of strength and weight and price. And a g10 dragonfly and lightweight dragonfly. They make a stainless and g10 police too, a frn one would be a cool option and would definitly sell I think.

My real question though is if they had a just plain black g10 delica endura and stretch and priced them all in the low 100's street price I know they would be a good seller. I love my endura and my gf loves her delicas but they just got this cheap feel to them that I wish I could just have something a little more solid at times.


What do you guys think don't you think there should be a regular production of g10 models since they do it with the native and dragonfly?
 
I would love the Endura with G-10 scales. I certainly like it over FRN. Just makes the knife feel sort of cheap with FRN over G-10. JMHO of course but agree with Motivated :)
 
Cost, time, and longevity of the item.
The price would be higher if they had to machine individual scales out of sheets of G10. Where a mold can be used and you get exponentially more scales in the same or near same amount of time to produce a set of G10 scales. The time it takes to machine scales would be greater than using the FRN mold, also inconsistencies in G10 can and do exist from batch to batch. This is not the case from what I've seen in years of FRN molds. G10 scales may wear faster than FRN, specifically if no liners are used (around the areas where the pins/screws go. The company that uses the TriAd lock does not use G10 in their knives, rather a different material similar to FRN, made to look like G10.

There was a few runs of Enduras, Delicas, and other knives with G10. They got discontinued a couple years ago because they were not selling like hotcakes. So, I would guess Spyderco knows better than we do. It takes a lot more than "I'd buy a couple" to make a piece stay in production.
 
My guess is they are trying to maximize the usage on the expensive FRN dies. Keep the price low by pumping out many of them. Us knife nuts would buy the G10, but most guys looking to buy that one good quality knife will not. They will look at $60 for the Delica and be happy thinking they are spending a little more than a SOG or Gerber, but getting a superior knife. Go over $100, and those flagship cheaper knives are not such anymore, and probably won't sell quite like the FRN versions do.

On a related side note, they are going to make a G10 Stretch with a modified choil in the future. It is going to be G10 simply because tooling up for G10 is cheaper, and they are testing the market for this modification.
 
I would love some g10 on my delica. Although the best we can really hope for i think is another sprint run with g10(hopefully with the digicam)
 
Would be awsome I think if at the beginning of the year they made let's say 500 g10 models of each and then that's it for this year. Or make them sort of a special order item like make orders open and then when they hit a certain number 250, 500 or something like that then produce them and do it once a year or ever so often.
 
They used to offer them. It tacked about $25-$50 to the street price, the demand was low, and so they stopped selling them. There are still a few around.

RevDevil nailed the why aspect.
 
SolidState said:
They used to offer them. It tacked about $25-$50 to the street price, the demand was low, and so they stopped selling them. There are still a few around.

RevDevil nailed the why aspect.
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Hey well ya know with a company like spyderco if we give a good idea and a good way to execute it and if we show it oodles of support it could always come back.

It is a possibility and if given a option I would vote to have another run and scrape penny's or whatever to get it because it's one of the few knives I really enjoy
 
nccole said:
On a related side note, they are going to make a G10 Stretch with a modified choil in the future. It is going to be G10 simply because tooling up for G10 is cheaper, and they are testing the market for this modification.
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Liking the sound of this one. If they produce the ZDP version in G10, then even better. :thumbup:
 
Motivated said:
Would be awsome I think if at the beginning of the year they made let's say 500 g10 models of each and then that's it for this year. Or make them sort of a special order item like make orders open and then when they hit a certain number 250, 500 or something like that then produce them and do it once a year or ever so often.
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For one thing, the Japanese maker of the Delica, Endura, and Stretch has a minimum order quantity of 1200 pieces. For another, as others have alluded to, the price of the original G-10 Enduras and Delicas was more than most were willing to pay. The G-10 Endura's MSRP in 2009 was $200, as opposed to $95 for the FRN version. The Delica was a similar story, $180 vs $90. Granted, those are MSRPs, but most dealers discount all Spyderco knives by the same percentage, be it 30, 35, 40, or whatever, so the price of the G-10 was going to be double what that same dealer was charging for the FRN ones.
 
The Deacon said:
For one thing, the Japanese maker of the Delica, Endura, and Stretch has a minimum order quantity of 1200 pieces. For another, as others have alluded to, the price of the original G-10 Enduras and Delicas was more than most were willing to pay. The G-10 Endura's MSRP in 2009 was $200, as opposed to $95 for the FRN version. The Delica was a similar story, $180 vs $90. Granted, those are MSRPs, but most dealers discount all Spyderco knives by the same percentage, be it 30, 35, 40, or whatever, so the price of the G-10 was going to be double what that same dealer was charging for the FRN ones.
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I agree here. Recently I came across some of the foliage green G10 Delicas from a dealer and was interested because 1) I like the Delica and 2) I like foliage green G10. However, they were selling, I assume new, for like $120...more than what I've paid for any Para 2. In the end, I just couldn't justify it. So it kinda makes me think that a Stretch may approach the $150 mark, and if a ZDP version were produced...the $200 mark using the same logic? :eek:
 
Hey people pay 130 for g10 police models and that's the same steel same factory and all that. So I feel that people didn't buy it solely due to price differences if the frn model didn't exist or if it was priced different people would buy a g10 one. Me personally I like getting g10 more because idk it seems so generic getting a injection molded knife, live my endura but it doesn't have much personality. And after market scales are really expensive. Cuscadi scales for my endura and delica would be over 200$ for them and to me it's just.. Idk, I just want g10 don't want them to be all expensive and custom.
 
The G10 Enduras are much harder to find on the secondary than the Delicas these days. I should have jumped on the Calypso brown also. I'm 0 for 2... Next time around I'll get on it.
 
Motivated said:
Hey people pay 130 for g10 police models and that's the same steel same factory and all that. So I feel that people didn't buy it solely due to price differences if the frn model didn't exist or if it was priced different people would buy a g10 one. Me personally I like getting g10 more because idk it seems so generic getting a injection molded knife, live my endura but it doesn't have much personality. And after market scales are really expensive. Cuscadi scales for my endura and delica would be over 200$ for them and to me it's just.. Idk, I just want g10 don't want them to be all expensive and custom.
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Yes, people do buy the Police model, but the SS version sells much more, and it's been around a lot longer than the G10 variant. In this case of the G10 Delica and Endura I am more inclined to believe what Sal has shared on the topic rather than a random member "feeling" that it's not quite right. In the end the financials don't lie, and if the piece isn't selling, then they need to put something in place that will.

Another thing, the FRN models have been around for a long, long time. If they weren't good, do you think they would still be around? Hundreds and thousands of knives made, sold, and bought. It is still going strong in its 4th generation. I'm inclined to believe they are doing something right.

On another note, if you really want to know FRN and G10 really aren't that different chemically. The tactile feel is the difference. You can possibly find someone to make you scales for your knives, but you should be careful who you shop with in any case. Or you can start searching for the already made G10 Delica and Enduras that are out there. They exist, searching them out is the fun part. ;)
 
Hi Yogi, Hitman,

Wecome to our forum.

We've built them as mentioned. Probably do a sprint some time in the future. Already have the tooling.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Yogi, Hitman,

Wecome to our forum.

We've built them as mentioned. Probably do a sprint some time in the future. Already have the tooling.

sal
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Nice to know, got to make sure I have the money available when they come our since they would be at the top of my want list, my combo edge foilage green endura is my edc latly and my gf is carrying the delica to match. G10 would make what is a great knife perfect for me.

Thanks for the answer Me. Glesser
 
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