Why no Spydie autos?

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Stiletto Raggio

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I understand that the spydie hole makes an automatic function more of a gimmick than a necessary feature, but why doesn't spyderco make any autos? Surely the market for autos is at least as large as for some of the specialty pieces, and just as legitimate.
 
They do have a couple in the works, but federal laws, state laws, etc, will limit how and where they will be marketed.
 
I've always found AO/auto to be antithetical to the basic spyderco design, which seems very "keep it simple"

Auto doesn't seem to "do" anything. I have a few AOs, and they're fun, but they're just not as fast as me with a good manual, much less someone with a waved knife.

They had one...I can't remember the name, it was a double action. I really wanted it, but didn't really care about the auto part.
 
Search for the Samaritan and Citadel, two in the works. I seem to recall a shorter version of the Samaritan as well, for places in Europe.
 
After the bali(spyderfly) incident I wouldnt be surprised if they canceled any plans to make an auto.
 
ok, I did the search for the Samaritan and Citadel, and the first discussions were back in 2005. I know that the legal troubles were more recent, but will either of these make the light of day? And if so, which states would they be available for purchase in, if not CO?

just hopeful.
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I wondered that too, until I experimented with a friend's auto and a folder with an improvised Wave. Quick-draw contest, trading the knives periodically.

...The Wave won hands down. Got me thinking of autos as more of a novelty and moderate preference rather than a superior knife. Comparing the mechanics of both, the Wave is simply a reshaped blade spin while an auto is a spring, axle, button lock, blade lock, and button switch all jammed into a watch-like array. Moving parts are the eventual downfall of most gadgets and tools. The Wave has no more moving parts than a basic locking knife, with a quicker draw time than an auto with practice, safer design, and even a lower price.

For the professionals I won't rule out autos, everyone has their own preference.
 
ashtxsniper said:
After the bali(spyderfly) incident I wouldnt be surprised if they canceled any plans to make an auto.
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I'd rate that as a seperate, and unrelated issue. I'm pretty sure they plan on making the autos here, and the laws are clear on autos...or clearer than the flys.
 
The Deacon said:
They do have a couple in the works, but federal laws, state laws, etc, will limit how and where they will be marketed.
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And that's a horribly sad commentary too :( Here we are supposed to be in a free country with civil and Constitutional rights and it seems like everytime I turn around anymore you hear of more and more of these "liberty stripping" draconian laws.

It is an ABOMINATION :mad: that an adult man or adult woman in all 50 states can't own the type of knife that they choose to own.

These stupid and senseless laws do absolutely nothing at all to protect the public in any way. All these illegal and abominable laws do is to fuel the "prison industrial complex" that they are turning this country into :( It's really that simple. Well folks we need to ask ourselves: Who in the hell is making these sick, revenue enhancing, prison expanding laws :mad:? Just follow the money trail
 
JD Spydo said:
And that's a horribly sad commentary too :( Here we are supposed to be in a free country with civil and Constitutional rights and it seems like everytime I turn around anymore you hear of more and more of these "liberty stripping" draconian laws.

It is an ABOMINATION :mad: that an adult man or adult woman in all 50 states can't own the type of knife that they choose to own.

These stupid and senseless laws do absolutely nothing at all to protect the public in any way. All these illegal and abominable laws do is to fuel the "prison industrial complex" that they are turning this country into :( It's really that simple. Well folks we need to ask ourselves: Who in the hell is making these sick, revenue enhancing, prison expanding laws :mad:? Just follow the money trail
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JD, you need to turn around more often. Because unless my memory is failing, there were only 48 states when the majority of the laws, both federal and state, regarding ownership and manufacture of automatic knives were penned some fifty odd years ago.
 
JD Spydo said:
And that's a horribly sad commentary too :( Here we are supposed to be in a free country with civil and Constitutional rights and it seems like everytime I turn around anymore you hear of more and more of these "liberty stripping" draconian laws.

It is an ABOMINATION :mad: that an adult man or adult woman in all 50 states can't own the type of knife that they choose to own.

These stupid and senseless laws do absolutely nothing at all to protect the public in any way. All these illegal and abominable laws do is to fuel the "prison industrial complex" that they are turning this country into :( It's really that simple. Well folks we need to ask ourselves: Who in the hell is making these sick, revenue enhancing, prison expanding laws :mad:? Just follow the money trail
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i agree with ya 110%...........
 
The US had a thriving switchblade industry until 1958.

The Switchblade Act, (public law 85-623, enacted on August 12, 1958, and codified in 15 USC 1241-1245), prohibits the manufacture or transportation of switchblade knives in interstate commerce. It provides exceptions for government agencies, members of the Armed Forces, and for one-armed persons.[10] The act was amended in 1986 to also restrict ballistic knives. 18 USC 1716 further restricts sending switchblade knives through the United States Postal Service, with a few exceptions.

Take a look at the Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade

There are no Constitutional rights protecting knife ownership.

With the pocket clip, assisted opening and waved knife designs switchblades became a collector and novelty knife. These other designs offer hard users more accessibility, utility and reliability.

A switchblade that isn't locked in your pocket is liable to fire by accident. A locked knife requires yet another action to bring it into use. You can't use a switchblade until you dig it out of your pocket and clear your body. You have to find the button, make sure your clear of the opening, press it, forgot to take off the safety, take off the safety, press the button and assume a good grip, that is if the knifes spring action doesn't flip the knife out of your hand,

Compare to a waved knife, clipped to your pocket, grip the knife drag it up the back of your pocket and at the end of the action you have a live knife in a secure grip.

Of course there's Frank's Guntling which works well even when closed, using it's special design features to control, scrape and scratch even opening the blade. A great martial arts knife.
 
I agree that waved knives are faster to open than switchblades. I can open most hole or thumbstud equipped knives faster that a switchblade, without the worry of the spring breaking or losing its power.

That doesn't keep the switchblade laws from being stupid, it only shows the futility of them.

As for no constitutional rights protecting knife ownership, they fall under the Second Amendment. At least they would if the Constitution was still in effect. In case you haven't noticed, the Constitution was repealed by the Civil War.
 
groos said:
A switchblade that isn't locked in your pocket is liable to fire by accident. A locked knife requires yet another action to bring it into use. You can't use a switchblade until you dig it out of your pocket and clear your body. You have to find the button, make sure your clear of the opening, press it, forgot to take off the safety, take off the safety, press the button and assume a good grip, that is if the knifes spring action doesn't flip the knife out of your hand,
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that pretty much ignores all automatic knife design characteristics in use for years now, and the common sense and manual dexterity required to carry any sharp tool.
 
That is total crap. What is more dangerous, ICE? These knives, or the thousands of untraceable illegal aliens that cross our borders every year?
 
groos said:
The US had a thriving switchblade industry until 1958.

The Switchblade Act, (public law 85-623, enacted on August 12, 1958, and codified in 15 USC 1241-1245), prohibits the manufacture or transportation of switchblade knives in interstate commerce. It provides exceptions for government agencies, members of the Armed Forces, and for one-armed persons.[10] The act was amended in 1986 to also restrict ballistic knives. 18 USC 1716 further restricts sending switchblade knives through the United States Postal Service, with a few exceptions.

Take a look at the Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switchblade

There are no Constitutional rights protecting knife ownership.
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With all due respect "GROOS" there most certainly is a Constitutional RIGHT that protects knife and gun ownership. It's known as the SECOND AMENDMENT Sir. And it very clearly and succintly states that we have the RIGHT to bear arms. Irregardless of what some of these rogue politicians would like you to believe.

And let's be very careful not to confuse RIGHTS with priviledges. Because this current rogue legal environment we are in has more or less turned our RIGHTS into priviledges and now they are in the process of slowly revoking our priviledges. It's high time we stand up for our RIGHTS before it's entirely too late.

I'm not at all trying to be mean spirited or confrontational with you "Groos" but we have the rights and they are in writing. ;)
 
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