Why not 3V in a folder?

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Does anyone have a folder in 3V steel? I have not seen any foldering using this steel. I know the steel is better suited for a fixed blade, but the edge retention is great and it is very tough. Could you make a strong, thin, low angled slicing machine with this steel?
 
Doing folders in steels like 3V will never be a common thing. Production companies take their reputations into their hands with every knife that comes out in this day and age of the internet. When someone breaks a knife, or does something to it it's on the forums whithin hours and it goes something like this:

I broke this knife

another guy: mine rusted.

someone else : I can't get mine sharp

expert: It must be the heat treat. I hear spyderco has trouble with heat treats, unlike ( insert this guys favorite brand)....


So, next thing you know from now until forever there are people that are convinced that spyderco produced a batch of 3V knives that were defective, prone to rusting and chipping because the heat treat was off.

The fact that the guy that broke it was doing something he shouldn't to his knife won't enter into it. The guy who rusted his perfectly good knife just didn't care for it the way he should have. The other guy just doesn't know how to sharpen knives.

It happens all the time. When anyone tries to point out the facts it's just the "kool aid drinking", "Fan boy", " spyderco vigilanties" going into attack mode as usual.

We do see occasional runs of knives in other than stainless steels occasionally and that's the companies like Spyderco and Benchmade trying to satisfy their knowledgeable user base, not to sell to guys who don't know what they are getting.

We may see a 3V run of knives from some company in the future as a lot of people call for it, but don't hold your breath on when. In the mean time there are plenty of fine stainless steels, stainless super steels, and almost stainless steels ( D2).

When you do see a run in M4, or maybe someday 3V, grab it up and be amazed the companies made it.

There are custom makers who will do it for you if you have the money and don't mind waiting. That's probably your best bet for now.
 
Several custom makers have used it in their folders. I have a Bradshaw folder with CPM-3V
 
i'm not sure this is really a super steel. reportably ferhman does a 3 day heat treat. it would be unrealistic to expect factories to commit to this heattreat since consumers wo'nt pay the price.remember that fowler tweaks 52100 & busse can make a beer can alloy cut forever. they use very common alloys but the super heattreat makes simple alloys perform wonderfully.clark used to make katanas from L6 that cut for years & thousands of cuts but once again he spent a tremendous amount of time & many steps to achive the super cutter.i'm not sure a commercial application of 3v will outperform vg10.
 
The fact that the guy that broke it was doing something he shouldn't to his knife won't enter into it. The guy who rusted his perfectly good knife just didn't care for it the way he should have. The other guy just doesn't know how to sharpen knives.
In fact, if there is a strong following, anything could happen to the knife, without trouble for the maker.

Most important point IMO is: I can´t imagine 3V to be something like an inexpensive steel grade. I mean, it´s PM steel.

Most ppl. look for stainless steel grades. The ppl. who prefer carbon blades must see, why they should pay more for a relative new steel, when there are trusted and proofed steel carbon steel grades out on market, maybe for less money.

It´s a small market for companies. A better one for custom knife makers.
 
I guess cause 3V is unnecessarily tough, and not as corrosion-resistant? I've heard that M4 does let you get those crazy thin slicing edges, and is more corrosion resistant to boot.
 
as mentioned 3v is a real expensive alloy.its prominent feature is the toughness. rated tougher than the s --series which is used for chisels & axes. my guess is this stuff would make a super axe but it would be too expensive. i do'nt think it will outcut m4 but i'll start a test this weekend.once again results vary greatly due to heattreat.
 
as mentioned 3v is a real expensive alloy.its prominent feature is the toughness. rated tougher than the s --series which is used for chisels & axes. my guess is this stuff would make a super axe but it would be too expensive. i do'nt think it will outcut m4 but i'll start a test this weekend.once again results vary greatly due to heattreat.this alloy is fairly rust resistant.
 
i'm not sure this is really a super steel. reportably ferhman does a 3 day heat treat. it would be unrealistic to expect factories to commit to this heattreat since consumers wo'nt pay the price.remember that fowler tweaks 52100 & busse can make a beer can alloy cut forever. they use very common alloys but the super heattreat makes simple alloys perform wonderfully.clark used to make katanas from L6 that cut for years & thousands of cuts but once again he spent a tremendous amount of time & many steps to achive the super cutter.i'm not sure a commercial application of 3v will outperform vg10.

:confused: ...Please tell me more about Busse's "beer can alloy" knife steel.
 
the beer can statement was a joke what i meant was that a super knifemaker can get outstanding results with common alloys.
 
Ed Schempp selected CPM-3V for his Spyderco "Tuff" design. It's currently in-the-works.

I would say that Ed has a better than average understanding of blade steels, so there must be somthing that attracts. ;).

sal
 
Ed Schempp selected CPM-3V for his Spyderco "Tuff" design. It's currently in-the-works.

I would say that Ed has a better than average understanding of blade steels, so there must be somthing that attracts. .

sal


Um, Sal, I broke my tuff . Everybody knows 3V is a super strong steel so it should take prying just fine. Especially if it's called the tuff.

It must be the heat treat!

Send me a new knife!


:D
 
Um, Sal, I broke my tuff . Everybody knows 3V is a super strong steel so it should take prying just fine. Especially if it's called the tuff.

It must be the heat treat!

Send me a new knife!

:D

Hi Joe,

Did you break the thick 3V blade, the Titanium handle, th integral Compression lock or the large pivot? ;)

sal
 
I'd buy one. Check out the chart below. CPM-3V has roughly TWICE the strength and wear-resistance of A2. Very impressive. But, as mentioned above... proper heat treatment is critical.

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Hi Joe,

Did you break the thick 3V blade, the Titanium handle, th integral Compression lock or the large pivot?

sal


umm, I broke whatever part will get me a new one free. Yeah, that's the story and I'm sticking to it! :D
 
Hi Joe,

Did you break the thick 3V blade, the Titanium handle, th integral Compression lock or the large pivot? ;)

sal

Dude, Sal, do I have to promise you my hypothetical firstborn or what? I've waited so long, and you throw one out like that! Would it be inappropriate to say that I yearn for my TUFF?
 
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