Why Not a D2 Tenacious?

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I was thinking, with all these Chinese made knives in D2 these days, why not a sprint of the Tenacious in D2? I can't imagine the cost would be much higher, the steel is readily available and I know many of us (myself included) would definitely be interested in an upgraded steel for this model.

Just a thought I had...
 
Id buy one. The Tenacious is a cool little knife and I like liner locks, it would certainly be nice to see different steels.
 
Assuming, of course, that what they claim as being D2 is actually D2.
 
Tenacious is a cool entry knife.
Every single one I have handled and used has had better action than any PM2.

The Cro steel has always been a turn off.

D2 on the other hand. Heck ya.
 
WilliamEdward said:
Don't you feel Spyderco can be trusted, and be rigorous enough, to have D2 in a blade stamped for it?
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I trust Spyderco, yes. I don't trust all the other knives coming out of China that are marked D2 to actually be D2, and I'm not entirely convinced that the makers Sal uses there are proficient enough to work with D2. If they were, they would probably be doing so already. We've been asking for a steel upgrade for a long time.
 
I'm kinda with Yab on this and the maker for the Tenacious has indicated that he's not really interested in working with other steels.

sal
 
They seem to have their preferred steel pretty well dialed in. I wouldn't press them too hard. It's one of the easiest stainless steels to sharpen I've encountered. I have started several people on the Byrd line too. With everything I already have in my collection I still carry a Byrd and have a few laying around the house for easy use. I even custom edged one for my son to use at his job when he kept tearing his Endura's edge up. I don't often convex folders but in his case it seemed to help. It's not dinged up yet.

Joe
 
The Mastiff said:
They seem to have their preferred steel pretty well dialed in. I wouldn't press them too hard. It's one of the easiest stainless steels to sharpen I've encountered. I have started several people on the Byrd line too. With everything I already have in my collection I still carry a Byrd and have a few laying around the house for easy use. I even custom edged one for my son to use at his job when he kept tearing his Endura's edge up. I don't often convex folders but in his case it seemed to help. It's not dinged up yet.

Joe
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Joe, can you share what happened with the Endura and what about the Byrd that holds up well, or better?
It seems to demonstrate what Sal said: all good, only different.
 
Hey Chris. His VG 10 Endura fell out of his pocket and was used by someone there at his shop who took a small V shaped chip out of the high sharpness very thin edge I had on it. I don't know for sure but it had to be something like a small screw. It was a slicer and thinner than the stock edge. The Byrd was surplus because I have bought so many and the steel is so easy to sharpen that I felt it was suited to a project like this on a knife being used by a guy ( my son) who had already let one get damaged so that ruled out something like a high priced Cruwear model ( All mine ! ). This stuff really sharpens easily with my diamonds and SiC so I went to the better supported thicker edge and convexed it. It still cuts fine enough for opening boxes and plastic bags and the occasional vine he cuts to access crawlspaces and hasn't shown any damage so far. I strop it now and then and give it back. I still keep V edges on my daily use knives though and keep them thin. I have access to others more specialized when needed so I like mine very sharp. Every now and again I am reminded not everybody else uses the same care though including my son who let the knife walk away long enough to get damaged.

Joe
 
Cr12mov is similar to D2 but with slightly lower vanadium. I have been curious about it. I often wonder if all these supposed Chinese knives in D2 aren’t actually cr12mov. As stated, they don’t seem to mind misrepresenting their steels. If I remember correctly Spyderco had early Chinese made knives mismarked. Spyderco tested them and had it fixed. I do believe that Spyderco’s integrity is something you can count on.

It appears as though many of the makers over there who work for the major knife brands have also done some shady business. I believe Spyderco trusts their makers but without knowing who their makers are I cannot say that I do. I know they use one maker who I won’t support.
 
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I'd bet it's something along the lines of "trust but verify" :) . Spyderco brought the name 8C13Mov into use in this industry when they tested "440" knives they ordered from the vendor. I too wonder how many companies that sell PRC made "440A/C" knives have actually tested them or would even want to know.

joe
 
I think most companies take the Tang stamp at face value. Spyderco is the only company I would trust on blade steel coming from China. I actually laughed out loud when I first read the line "the steel is readily available" in the OP.
 
I'd be fine with a Chinese analogue of D2, like Cr12MoV...too bad it sounds like it won't happen from what Sal said above about the maker.
 
Hi John,

D2 has 1.6% carbon. The most Cr12MoV is listed as 1.45 - 1.7 Do you know if anyone is legitimatly using it as a blade steel?

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi John,

D2 has 1.6% carbon. The most Cr12MoV is listed as 1.45 - 1.7 Do you know if anyone is legitimatly using it as a blade steel?

sal
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Hi Sal,

I don’t, no, maybe someone else does? I think the prevailing suspicion a lot of us have on here is that more than a little bit of the “D2” used in the current crop of budget knives from China is not actually D2 but actually Cr12MoV.

In any case, I know we would all jump at an upgraded steel.
 
uxo2 said:
Tenacious is a cool entry knife.
Every single one I have handled and used has had better action than any PM2.

The Cro steel has always been a turn off.

D2 on the other hand. Heck ya.
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I've been carrying one of my simple black g10/satin blade Tenacious models this past week and it really is a cool entry knife. Solid lockup with a thud as the lock engages almost as loud as my backlock Manix! After this week it probably has kicked the PM2 M390 and the PM3 Maxamet out of my pocket for awhile. As long as I freshen up the edge (stropping) every other day after usage all is good! I really don't want a D2 steel, especially no DLC, I rather have something that is more corrosion resistive for every day use!
 
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