Why Not? Serrated/Spyderedged Recurves?

[JD Spydo]

OK I have brought this subject up before but it's been quite a while ago. The only thing that has really kept me from buying a ULIZE model is the fact that you can't get it in the Spyderedge ( fully serrated) selection . And for the life of me I can't figure out why either ?? The jury verdict has been in for a long time now that many of the obscure blade styles do really well in the Spyderedged option and Hawkbills being a prime example>> and in many cases like with the Hawkbill even do considerably better work in the Spyderedged variant.

With recurve blades always at an angle of attack it just makes perfect sense to me that a recurve like the ULIZE, ZULU, or Spyker models would just outright be a mega-beast in Spyderedge. I have such fond memories of one of my very first Spyderco DODO models in Spyderedge being such a super aggressive cutter especially using it in packaging and opening freight of all types. Those type of jobs is pretty much what sold me on Spyderco's great Spyderedged blades. But yet I've patiently waited for many years for Spyderco to take the initiative to come forth with a recurve model in full SE.

Since the ZULU has been gone there has been a considerable amount of rekindled interest in it and a couple of Spyderco's other recurve blades. The SPYKER being my all time favorite Spyderco recurve model I just know it would be a cutting machine at another level in Spyderedge. Even if they just made 10 to 20% of their recurves in Spyderedge I have no doubt that they would be bought up if they were available to those of us who use Spyderedged blades a lot. And YES!! I would like to see the DODO return in Spyderedge as well. But why not give it a try>> the market might just be a lot more receptive that most people believe>> and I just know I wouldn't be the only one wanting to use one either

 

[Minibear464]

I've owned a few of the salt hawkbills in serrations. From my perspective, the spyderedges seem less versatile. How would I slice an apple or carve wood? For many of my daily uses, I feel that a spyderedge is not appropriate. If I'm working on a project and trying to shave down some carbon fiber, a plain edge makes more sense. There's nothing that a serration can do that a plain edge cannot attempt. However, there are some things a plain edge can do that a serrated edge cannot, IMO. Also, from the PC area, a plain edge just looks more friendly. And lastly, I suspect that costs are higher for a spyderedge because of the more intricate machining, but may be wrong here.

 

[JD Spydo]

I've owned a few of the salt hawkbills in serrations. From my perspective, the spyderedges seem less versatile. How would I slice an apple or carve wood? For many of my daily uses,

I will be the first one to say that Spyderedged and/or fully serrated blades are not for everybody>> there are some people that just don't have much use for a Spyderedged blade. Because the Spyderedge is primarily designed for rough cutting jobs that require radical means to get the job done. When it comes to cutting any type of cordage the Spyderedge is far quicker than a plain edge for instance and a Spyderedge can go through cardboard and other heavy/rough materials better than a PE blade can.

But I find many more uses for my serrated/Spyderedged Hawkbills than I do for my plain edged Hawkbills. I guess it just depends on what you mainly use a knife for. Myself on a daily basis I'm getting shipments and parcels delivered to me and I find that serrated Hawkbills and conventional serrated blades get me through those type of materials far quicker. I've also found Spyderedged knives to be great for many outdoor type cutting jobs as well. Spyderedges can cut through vines and cattails a lot more efficiently than a plain edge can.

 

[NG VI]

I like having both on me.

 

[dogrunner]

I will be the first one to say that Spyderedged and/or fully serrated blades are not for everybody>> there are some people that just don't have much use for a Spyderedged blade. Because the Spyderedge is primarily designed for rough cutting jobs that require radical means to get the job done. When it comes to cutting any type of cordage the Spyderedge is far quicker than a plain edge for instance and a Spyderedge can go through cardboard and other heavy/rough materials better than a PE blade can.

But I find many more uses for my serrated/Spyderedged Hawkbills than I do for my plain edged Hawkbills. I guess it just depends on what you mainly use a knife for. Myself on a daily basis I'm getting shipments and parcels delivered to me and I find that serrated Hawkbills and conventional serrated blades get me through those type of materials far quicker. I've also found Spyderedged knives to be great for many outdoor type cutting jobs as well. Spyderedges can cut through vines and cattails a lot more efficiently than a plain edge can.

I use PE far more than SE, including for many purposes that SE is supposedly good for (PE is much better for cutting rope when you need clean ends for braiding, PE does not snag on fabric the way SE does). BUT, I agree with JD on his last point - SE works great for cutting stems, particularly when combined with a hawkbill blade shape. Just pick the right tool for the job, as always.

 

[JD Spydo]

I use PE far more than SE, including for many purposes that SE is supposedly good for (PE is much better for cutting rope when you need clean ends for braiding, PE does not snag on fabric the way SE does). BUT, I agree with JD on his last point - SE works great for cutting stems, particularly when combined with a hawkbill blade shape. Just pick the right tool for the job, as always.

Yeah and that last part you mentioned concerning how good serrated Hawkbills are for cutting vegetation like swamp plants, vines, cattails and other woody type vegetation>> is exactly why I would never venture into the outdoors without a Spyderco serrated Hawkbill blade.

No argument that a super, razor sharp PE blade like many of us here on the Forum are familiar with using does indeed cut a straighter, smoother incision. But for so many rough-house jobs I can mention I wouldn't be without at least one Spyderedged blade on any given day. I always have one full sized PE Spyder along with a full Spyderedged companion blade. And yes I too use my PE more than I use my SE blades but I wouldn't be without either one of them.

I've never gotten to test out a serrated recurve blade and my gut is telling me that would be a great cutting machine with the right serration pattern.

 

[Minibear464]

But I find many more uses for my serrated/Spyderedged Hawkbills than I do for my plain edged Hawkbills. I guess it just depends on what you mainly use a knife for. Myself on a daily basis I'm getting shipments and parcels delivered to me and I find that serrated Hawkbills and conventional serrated blades get me through those type of materials far quicker. I've also found Spyderedged knives to be great for many outdoor type cutting jobs as well. Spyderedges can cut through vines and cattails a lot more efficiently than a plain edge can.

JD, do you use a hawkbill or just a normal bellied serrated knife? I feel like this might also be an issue of familiarity - in my case, I never really forced myself to use a serrated knife unless it's steak. And I just grew up with "normal" plain edged knives which naturally feel more familiar to me. What knife would you recommend?

 

[JD Spydo]

JD, do you use a hawkbill or just a normal bellied serrated knife? I feel like this might also be an issue of familiarity - in my case, I never really forced myself to use a serrated knife unless it's steak. And I just grew up with "normal" plain edged knives which naturally feel more familiar to me. What knife would you recommend?

Greetings Minibear: Yes I do use Spyderco Hawkbill blades>> actually I have either 8 or 9 "user" Hawkbill blades>> I even have one blue PE Spyderco Spyderhawk model which is the rare one if you try to find it NIB. I also use several different serrated/Spyderedged models like the older Military, Endura, ASSIST, Stainless RESCUE but my favorite user standard folder with a belly is the older/discontinued C-60 AYOOB SE version.

I find that Spyderco's serrated blades are excellent for cordage, rope, leather, polymer straps, twine ect. I was working in a wetlands project about 8 to 10 years ago when I discovered just how useful Spyderco's serrated folders are. I was dealing with cattails, reeds, vines and various other swamp type plants and the Spyderco VG-10 Spyderhawk that I actually took by mistake turned out to be a GOD-Send.

Now I'll be the first to admit that Spyderedged blades aren't for everyone. If you don't have a genuine need for them then don't buy one. But I use at least one of my Spyderedged models at least once or twice a day if not more. I mainly used a Hawkbill like an SE TASMAN or HARPY model as a companion to my main EDC which recently happens to be an M390 Military model. The two of them really work well in tandem. I just wish that Spyderco would make more of their fixed blades in full SE.

And my main reason for starting this thread is that I just know in my gut that if Spyderco would offer up one of their Recurve models in full Spyderedge it would be a beast of a work knife.