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Why shouldn't someone...

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…listen to you. We see a lot of gear choices in our interweb travels and on this forum and we all have our own opinions as to what is “needed” when in the woods. There are a lot of posts about why something isn’t “needed,” chopper knives for instance, and the debate can get pretty heated. We all have to realize that gear choice is as specific to the individual as much as it is to the environment. That’s why the word “needed” is in parentheses. It’s a relative term. Something that is indispensable to one, is useless to another. To shed some light on this I want you to post something about YOU personally that is a reason that someone should NOT listen to you.


Me, I’m a minimalist. It’s not just weight that I watch but indeed the NUMBER of things I take with me. Simple is my motto. I take a calculated risk in some of my gear choices, or lack there of. My first aid kit is a prime example. I don’t have one really, other than a few bandaids and some Immodium. This is in stark contrast to my buddy who has a first aid kit that he could take into combat. So you shouldn’t listen to me because I forego a lot of what others consider a necessity.
 
The chopper is a good example. I carry one with me to compliment my puukko because it can handle anything my little knife can't. I use it to take down saplings, clear brush, make traps, and scare juvenile wood elves. I don't carry a hatchet or saw any more because their uses are a bit more limited and I can perform most tasks I'd use them for with my big knife. You probably shouldn't listen to me if you use your saw to make fine fatwood dust, you like to fell trees bigger than saplings, or don't/can't sharpen your knives in the woods as chopping can do a number on your nice, sharp, elf-scaring edge.


Edit: Actually, you probably shouldn't listen to me for any reason. I'm freakin' nuts.
 
I'm sorry. Did you say something?
























That's pretty irresponsible to publish on the interweb to go outside your door without a full first aid kit. . . . :D


Arguing about the merits of various components of our outdoor kit is useful and can force us to really examine why we carry what we carry. That being said, peoples experience levels, environments, and philosophies ary widely. As much as we all love a good argument, we need to let others choose their own path, especially once the merits and detriments have been aired.


-- FLIX
 
If you think that you need a big heavy knife to chop wood up to the size of Redwood trees, then don't listen to me. I have some big choppers but I'll be darned if I am going to pack those things off the road. Give me a Buck 110 or a decent 4 inch fixed blade and I would be happy in the woods.

I have a little first aid kit from the dollar store but i have never looked in it to see what it has.:confused:

I don't have a compass and if I have anything with me, it is in my vest pocket.
 
Why shouldn't you listen to me...hmmm....

I drink. Not heavily, but I do like Guinness.

I eat a lot of fried foods.

I don't always whizz standing up.

I don't own any wool.

I've never taken a wuhdz course.

I was never in the military...which is kind of like a Phd in survival, I suppose.

I deer hunt with an SKS.

When I'm not hunting with a bow, which is pretty much the entire season...

I can't do all the nifty stuff with a map that some folks can.

Which is why you don't see me giving opinions on orienteering...

I've never spent a night in Canada, Alaska, the Arctic, the Antarctic, Brazil, Peru, Australia, The Mojave, Death Valley, the Deserts of America, or even Michigan for that matter.

So, I'm one step above poor white trash--what I like to call poor white clutter--sue me...

I've never tramped through a swamp, unless you count the little ones you sometimes encounter here. Nothing like the Everglades.

I'm afraid of snakes and I don't particularly care for spiders.

I use second rate and discount bin equipment.

I don't even know where to buy the latest Titanium crap.

I've never owned a camp stove.

I've only ever owned two propane lanterns.

I don't repell, go mountain climbing, or spelunking (so I don't like caves, bite me).



Feel free to not listen to me. As a matter of fact, ignore everything I say. I think I'm even going to start doing the opposite of everything I say. :cool:
 
Pfft. What utter nonsense. My way is unarguably the right way. SAK for backup, puuku/mora for a main knife and, a 18-20" axe and/or a saw. Everyone else is just confused, unknowledgeable and inexperienced. ;)
 
I hear you.

I always feel left out on the machete talk because I almost never have a scenario where I need one where I live or hike.(I have several though:o )
 
We all have to realize that gear choice is as specific to the individual as much as it is to the environment.
Strongly agree with that statement.

I avoid giving(or taking) too much advice about personal gear. This is one time that I condone the I and ME syndromes. Put "me" first. I'll argue with you about how a bladesteel or something performs, but not about what I'm wearing, eating, carrying, sleeping in, or living out of. Always very interested in hearing about what other people like to use, it just doesn't guide my own choices, which are set by my own preferences.

My advice, that you should listen to, is to neither hang on what other people say, nor discount it, but keep it in the proper perspective.

I do love to read detailed feedback and objective reviews from other people about their gear.
Their rating has little to do with how I view it, though, unless there are quality issues, or they voice preferences similar to my own.
For instance, I might buy one thing based on someone else's complaint, or completely dismiss another based on their praise for a feature I don't want.
 
To shed some light on this I want you to post something about YOU personally that is a reason that someone should NOT listen to you

Because most of the time I carry more crap than I need.

I truely believe anyone can survive a night or two with just a canteen w/cup, a SAK, a way to make fire, and a few working brain cells. You won't thrive,but you will survive.

I just want everyone else to buy knives and gear, cause I don't want to be the only one with an addiction.
 
great thread idea.

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why to not listen to my personal gear choices;

1) you know for sure you are returning; if not meaning "returning home", then simply meaning returning the same route.

i haven't taken returning for granted in a long time.

i go off trail almost always and like a lot of present and former military here, we are hardwired not to return the way that we came - besides being potentially dangerous if an enemy or predator is following your spore, in peace you get to see more - you've already seen where you are returning to obviously.

my choice of a hawk and machete is because they have good combatives as well as bushcraft and survival utilities. they are my core tools/weapons and they complement each other as tools. because of them, a lot of times the closest i get to a real backpack is a duffle bag which doesn't jive with a lot of folks, especially the ones that are younger and don't think they are hurting themselves with excessive load-outs. - i am not against large packs, mind you, i just think folks tend to grab them automatically, when a wool blanket and tarp wrapped around a machete and some extra food and a proper hawk in hand can move you through thick woods faster and more comfortably IME. it isn't ultralight, but it is cool and comfy, and my machete and hawk are my pack frames until they make one from natural materials in the field, if need be.

while i carry other common tools with my two primaries, like a folding saw, multiplier, small chisel, and SAK, they are thiings that wear out sooner and can't be field repaired as easily, especially in the long haul. i consider the little tools to be car-camping niceties, and i enjoy them but i don't trust them.

- the hawk and machete combination is great for Walkabout, at least for me. - a lot of knife people can't even walk, so they shouldn't listen to my gear choices maybe.

2) if you are a worrier, don't listen to me

i've reached the point in my skills set that i don't worry about anything. i don't need anything really, historically speaking, God always takes care of fools like me - there is so much junk in every wilderness that i have been to that you can make a city if you have to. with an old junker car nearby, i can forge a hawk and a knife in a furnace that originated with a friction fire while plastic bottles gather bait in the nearby stream. - i really don't enjoy that though - i like having my hawk especially. - it saves my back when i drag large pieces of wood to the fire - i probably use it as a come-along more than as a chopper. i use it a bit as a grappling hook or climbing axe too.


3) you never snow camp.

the machete and vectorized sheaths i have made spend a lot of time as a pack frame of sorts, hanging off of a shoulder strap (that is usually made of a shotgun belt), for reasons that i have mentioned - it's comfy for me. but most folks don't see how easy it is to make snow shelters with a machete. the machete also is great to cook something on or use as a spatula. - sure, the heat treat might get ruined in the odd circumstance that you are using your large blade for such a thing, but big deal, just re-heat-treat it at your leisure. the machete and hawk together can be carried in one hand with a comprehensive survival kit all day long - if i have to separate from my gear when i am out in the Big Lonely in bad snow, a shoulder strap around my torso while i am sleeping brings all my primary junk with me. i'll just break out the hot chocolate and hard candy and get my wind back while i think for a spell ...maybe drop a fish trap in the water while i am doing it....


4) if you have no sense of direction, or an inadequate one, and don't consider your ears and nose to be part of your navigational senses, don't listen to me. don't get me wrong. i love GPS. i love my old Tritium Lensatic Compass. Nothing better than a good map (- the time to look at the map is before you go BTW - re-drawing it helps a lot too, so don't listen to me if you can't hope to draw a contour map in any recognizable form).


5) don't listen to my gear choices if you are weak in the legs. i am not against heavy boots, but i think i had enough of them in the USMC and the Navy. i think big heavy boots are outstanding to have a pair worn in and ready to go, especially for disaster response. - i tend to leave them behind when i go out though. sandals and light boots are what i normally carry. if i need more than that, what am i doing wrong? - a lot, in my book.


6) don't listen to me if you don't have little kids. taking care of yourself alone on the trail is easy and a forgiving process; if you bring too much, you just bring it back and make a note not to next time hopefully. a lot of folks with babies especially just stop going out - that's the worst idea i have ever heard of, - and we wonder why kids these days have so little respect for nature - it's because it is not ingrained in them. my kids are all monkeys. my gear choices let's me load out light enough to carry somebody else's pack, or a kid, or both. my youngest used to love holding her pop's hawk while we hiked - it was like having some smart-car equivalent of a hawk sheath - i'd just lift my hand up and she'd put in in my hand, as she rode on my shoulders. i don't consider myself an athlete by any means, i just don't carry a gut. if you are obese, you and i don't have much in common, i hate to say - you especially shouldn't follow my gear choices unless you just like them; my gear choices are meant to be run with, and if need be; fought with.


....there's lots of reasons not to listen to me - especially about hawks.

hawks aren't for everyone.

neither am i. :cool::thumbup:

vec
 
I think you should listen to as many people as possible. After evaluating all of those opinions then form your own based on your needs.

Oh...don't listen to me because I don't think most people "need" more than a good puukko 99.9% of the time.
 
1) I'm a skinny, scrawny, sickly weakling –– and this heavily influences my gear choices, in many ways.

I'll add more, later.
 
To shed some light on this I want you to post something about YOU personally that is a reason that someone should NOT listen to you.

I don't like B.S. and a lot of people do. So, those that do should definitely not listen to me. I have heard people say things like, "It's better to be kind than to be right." I'm not that kind of person. This, along with my nasty habit of bashing incurable optimists and pollies and referring to paranoiacs as paranoiacs has left me with many behind the scenes E-mail "attaboys" from people who don't want to call a spade a spade in here because they will then get attacked. :D

HA!
 
Interesting thread topic.

I would say that everyone should, as a matter of personal policy, take all advice with a grain of salt.

Here's one big grain of salt to take when considering my advice: I have never been in a real, multi-day (or even overnight) lost-in-the-woods survival situation. Sure, I have been injured and have dealt with others' injuries, and I have had to make use of emergency shelter and fire-making skills and materials on a number of occasions - but I haven't been caught out in the middle of a snowstorm, lost in the mountains with a busted ankle, being circled by a small but determined-looking wolverine or amorous moose. So, I speak about survival from the perspective of someone who takes preparedness and skills seriously, but hasn't really been fully tested (yet).

Other than that, I would say that my advice will be of minimal relevance if your approach to wilderness survival leans towards the more extreme end of the survivalist spectrum. I don't venture into the woods with a mindset that is prepared to get my war on should 'two-legged predators' or wayward canine companions cross my path, and I am, by some standards, utterly unprepared for an outbreak of hostilities on the trail.

That's about it, though. Otherwise, my advice should be followed to the letter, particularly as regards beer selection and wilderness coffee preparation.

All the best,

- Mike
 
I don't like B.S. and a lot of people do. So, those that do should definitely not listen to me. I have heard people say things like, "It's better to be kind than to be right." I'm not that kind of person. This, along with my nasty habit of bashing incurable optimists and pollies and referring to paranoiacs as paranoiacs has left me with many behind the scenes E-mail "attaboys" from people who don't want to call a spade a spade in here because they will then get attacked. :D

HA!

I think that Don needs a hug.
 
I don't venture into the woods with a mindset that is prepared to get my war on should 'two-legged predators' or wayward canine companions cross my path, and I am, by some standards, utterly unprepared for an outbreak of hostilities on the trail.

Is that a roundabout way of saying that you're a shee.....ah, nevermind. ;) :D

I couldn't resist. :o
 
Canadians. Spend a lifetime telling Americans how violent we are and then advising us on self-defense. :jerkit:
 
Canadians. Spend a lifetime telling Americans how violent we are and then advising us on self-defense. :jerkit:

That's not very logical.
If we spent our entire lifetime complaining about the supposed violence of Americans, then we'd be DEAD before we got to advise you on self-defense.:)
Unless we Canadians get more than one lifetime. Hmmm...
 
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