Why Torx Screws?

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I'm just wondering why torx bit screws seem to be so common for pivot adjustment, clips, liner spacers, etc. In my experience, torx bits are used to put to together things the 'average joe' isn't supposed to take apart, yet clips and pivots are things which are meant to adjusted by the end-user.

Just wondering if anyone has some insight on this.:confused:
 
The torx configuration is less prone to stripping out. Nothing worse than a stripped screw head. They are becoming the standard of a lot of manufacturing sectors.
 
Preventing the "stripped out" problem is one reason, I suspect. Though I've stripped out a fair share when using the wrong driver.

But then, it could be the manufacturers desire the greater control of the applied torque the design was meant to achieve.

Also, it looks "techie."
 
they have more surface contact between wrench and bolt. this keeps it from stripping out. i take torx over allen any day. Some mountain bike parts are moving to torx also.

Lee
 
Agreed. I think Torx is the way to go for everything. Phillips has always stripped to easily and the standard slot lets the driver slip out the end half of the time. There is also a driver out that has a square tip that I think is pretty good too. I also imagine a triangle would work well. For some reason it seems that flat or phillips scres look cheap in a knife.
 
Hurray for the robertson. I'm always happy when I go to disassemble something and find robertson on it. :)
 
Robertson screws and drivers are less expensive to manufacture, and just as effective as torx. I've even filed old worn out drivers to extend their life. Try that with torx!
 
I also wish the Robertson square was used more. I really don't know why people still use regular flathead screws. Those things are such a pain in the ass. They should never be used.
 
Joe Dirt said:
I also imagine a triangle would work well.


Triangle screws are used on McDonald's happy meal toys. I assume it's to keep mechanically inclined children from taking them apart. You are definately right about its design effectiveness, I think it would be cheaper to make and strip resistant.
 
Torx will strip on occassion but it is not anywhere near as common in the smaller T6 size as it used to be for the similar sized hex head 2-56 screws. I can't tell you how many of the old hex head ones I cut a slot in with a thin cut off disc to make work with a flat head screwdriver just because of the stripping problems.

Torx is the way to go until someone comes up with something even better.

STR
 
Torx are great for small sizes, but for anything larger, I'd want a robertson.

And also, what other screw type will stay attached to the driver hanging upside down? The robertson stays stuck to the driver with just one hand, for the easiest screwdriver ever.

Also, I've SNAPPED the heads off of more robertsons than I've stripped.
 
Joe Dirt said:
I also wish the Robertson square was used more. I really don't know why people still use regular flathead screws. Those things are such a pain in the ass. They should never be used.

They are used extensivley in Canada. I have never seen them in the UK, so it was interesting the first time I saw one!
 
I found (and still find it) annoying to "discover" a new type/kind of fastener.

How 'bout those 5-lug security torx on some of the Leatherman Waves.
 
orthogonal1 said:
I found (and still find it) annoying to "discover" a new type/kind of fastener.

How 'bout those 5-lug security torx on some of the Leatherman Waves.
GRIM! I couldn't agree more!
 
orthogonal1 said:
I found (and still find it) annoying to "discover" a new type/kind of fastener.

How 'bout those 5-lug security torx on some of the Leatherman Waves.

Do those happen to be the ones with the post in the middle of them? So you can't get a regular torx in place?
 
The Torx screws with a post pose no problem if your Torx bits have holes down the center. I got a whole set of 'em at a pro electronics store (you should, too!).
 
Those are the ones. One call to the Snap-On man and you have the overpriced, I mean correct, tool for the job.

Same way I got the drivers for the Eaton tamper resistant fasters that kept all the dorm windows from opening all the way once apon a time.
 
Andrew Taylor said:
. I have never seen them in the UK, so it was interesting the first time I saw one!

Andrew, that's probably because Mr.Robertson must have high-tailed it out of the UK, after the following unpleasant experience!

"Robertson had licenced the screw in England but the party he was dealing with intentionally put the company under and purchased the rights from the trustee thus circumventing Robertson. He spent a small fortune buying back the rights. After that he refused to ever allow anyone to make the screws under license." (Wikipedia)


Here's some more info on why Robertson ("socket head") screws are THE screw in Canada, and not the U.S.:

"Robertson took his fastener to Europe, with the hope of manufacturing it in England with some business partners there, and selling it across the continent. Unfortunately, this was just before WWI broke out. He and his English partners did OK producing war related goods, but fastener sales to Germany and Russia were, well, non-existant. After the war ended, there was a falling out among the partners, and it ended badly all around. Robertson swore he'd never fail to be in full control again. He sold fasteners for a few years to Ford in the US, but Henry Ford wanted to manufacture them himself, under licence. Remembering his British adventure, Robertson refused. He'd sell anybody all of the screws that they wanted, but nobody else would be licenced to make them. Henry Ford also liked to be in full control of things, so that emded that. WWII broke out, and Phillips screws (Phillips bought the screw head design from someone else, and made a couple of minor improvements) were better than slotted, and war manufacturing needed a zillion fasteners, so Phillips took off on the US side of the border."

"...there was great opposition to their introduction into the US back in the day by the American makers (because they didn't hold the patents and the screws were better in use than theirs) and that there were even legislative measures taken to exclude Robertson screws."

(Both quotes are from an interesting discussion here: http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=114660&page=10)


One last comment on Robertson heads. They are just refined square sockets: that simple shape that is so universally used in socket wrenches. (Heck, you can even make an emergency Roberston driver with a chunk of rod and a file.) Robertsons are solid, & easy to clean out, just like socket wrenches, as all mechanics know. They just don't break, like slot or Phillips heads, so you can tighten them solidly, without the driver popping out and stabbing your workpiece or your hand. And, a Robertson screw stays on the screwdriver, so you can hold the work with your other hand, or feed the screw way into places like the back of an electrical junction box, without the screw falling off. (Torx also stay on the driver, but cleaning the gunk out of an old Torx head may take quite awhile, but with a Robertson, all it takes is a quick poke with the tip of your pocketknife!)

BTW, "Torx" is spelled wrong! :D

ROBERTSONS RULE! :thumbup:
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