Will the Axis Lock work w/ just one omega spring?

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Effectively...if not optimally?

Being lazy perhaps. Before I take one of mine apart to test...wondering if any know for sure.

Maybe one of our resident, scale maker "gunslingers" has a knife in the "exploded" stage they can test.
 
Maybe. Had one with a broken spring for a while without realizing it. Have also heard cases where the bar would bind in operation with only 1 spring.
 
I have a 530 currently with a broken spring and I can hardly tell. Probably be different with a heavier duty knife though
 
I have a 710 with a broken spring and it works, only difference is a weaker detent.
 
Yes, it will work. It will be rough, and it is worth noting that the lone omega spring will fail sooner because it is seeing additional stress. As a plus, you WILL know immediately that something is wrong, which gives you time to make whatever arrangements or actions needed to repair it. As a general rule, it is the first part to fail on the AXIS mechanism and it's failure is not 100% critical to function even if both were to fail (put a lanyard on the knife and if in the very unlikely chance both fail, thread the paracord through the AXIS mechanism and you have a usable fixed blade.)

When operating on one spring, it is worth ensuring the AXIS lock is operated by two fingers on the outer portions of the AXIS bar given the forces applied by the lone spring will be greater on the side with the operating spring. This will help slow the expedited wear of the lone spring.

I am a strong believer that a grease should go on the omega springs, inside the omega spring cutouts in the handles, inside the small hole the omega spring mates to the liner with, and on the AXIS bar itself to reduce friction wear, and I feel this makes a big difference.
 
Before I take one of mine apart to test...wondering if any know for sure.

Yes, the AXIS lock will still operate with only one spring but is designed to have two springs.

If one Omega spring breaks the lock will not fail but you should get it fixed / replaced as soon as possible.

Just curious, why do you want to take it apart to test this?
 
Yes, the AXIS lock will still operate with only one spring but is designed to have two springs.

If one Omega spring breaks the lock will not fail but you should get it fixed / replaced as soon as possible.

Just curious, why do you want to take it apart to test this?


Thanks fellas.

I heard an argument against the Axis Lock that both springs were needed for function. That if one failed, it would be rendered inoperable. I didn't believe the theory, however before I argued against it, wanted to be sure. The above statements are pretty much the way I had it figured/hypothesized.

Big promoter of the Axis and BM in general. Just wanting to confirm what I believed as to know of what I speak. That "one spring fail" theory didnt sound correct however it did give me pause. I have utmost confidence in the design, this just reaffirms.
 
The AXIS lock is a great design indeed. I've never heard or read of one instance of injury because of a broken Omega spring.

I trust it far more then other locking mechanisms because of this. That and my personal experience having had an AXIS lock BM since almost the beginning. Nothing beats it as far as ease of use.

My concern was to caution you though about taking it apart for the sake of doing so. I've read too many threads where people have taken their AXIS lock knives apart and had difficulties putting them back together or after doing so created issues with the knife that didn't exist before.

Best of luck!
 
Thanks fellas.

I heard an argument against the Axis Lock that both springs were needed for function. That if one failed, it would be rendered inoperable. I didn't believe the theory, however before I argued against it, wanted to be sure. The above statements are pretty much the way I had it figured/hypothesized.

Big promoter of the Axis and BM in general. Just wanting to confirm what I believed as to know of what I speak. That "one spring fail" theory didnt sound correct however it did give me pause. I have utmost confidence in the design, this just reaffirms.

My opinion is that the discussion on omega spring failures on the AXIS lock should be viewed in the same fashion as failure of a good liner lock, the Kaboom! and Glocks, how 9mm doesn't have enough "stopping power", or discussion on the need for super lock strength on a folding knife. If someone is convinced that the omega springs are so vulnerable to failure that AXIS is not a good locking system, you probably are not going to change their perception even though there are loads of empirical evidence demonstrating the AXIS is a solid and proven platform.

Do the omega springs fail? Of course. But the frequency in which they happen (relative to the amount of AXIS knives made) is rare and discussion on the topic is generally more hypothetical rather than actual. Some failures happen because of fatigue from the wear and tear of usage and some because of the user. There are indeed also occasional random failures as well, but that really doesn't speak to AXIS as a whole. When I sold knives and this topic came up, I tried to remind people that a small hand full of incidents generally does not signify anything beyond face value. An example I used was how my grandmother smoked for almost a century and was healthier than 99% of the population, which does not prove that smoking is safe. So in sum, I think that the functional vulnerability is generally much more perceived than it is actual, with occasional exceptions.

In theory, I would guess that the chance of injury from a spring failure is very low. Partly this is from the redundancy of having two and how obvious it is when one fails, and partly because it seems the springs would be most likely to break when the spring is actively being flexed towards the position in which strain is greater. When open or closed, there is less tension on the spring and the spring is not actively flexing. I've never heard of injury from AXIS failure, and while stories may exist, I think they are very rare.

And ultimately, AXIS is still 100% operable with both springs broken, and replacing the omega springs on an AXIS knife is easy to do.
 
I'll only add that when a Liner lock, Frame lock, or Lock back fails injury can and has occured. I've read and seen far more, and by a very large margin instances of Liner lock, Frame lock, and even Lock back slippage / failure then that of the AXIS lock.

I've had folding knives fail on me during use but never an AXIS lock.

This is why I have so much faith and trust in it.
 
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Totally agree. I for sure understand that an attempt to change someone's perception could result in much frustration and wasted energy. I wanted to confirm what I thought as to not speak from my ass..on a theory. I personally never had a problem w/ any omega springs, and my only concern would be a result in a non function, more so than an injury, in the "field."

I've had various other folder locking mech's fail. I've heard of omegas failing, not often, more due to rubbing on a scale than nominal stress from operation. I've heard some suggest Ti for the O springs.. I don't believe it necessary. It wouldn't be subject to fail from rust or heat from stress, however it wouldn't hold up to rubbing on a scale any more than steel, which I think might account to a larger percentage of fails, which is a very small number over all Im guessing. Would also add cost unnecessarily to a virtually non issue.

Yes, faith and trust in the design.
 
One of the Omega springs in my Kulgera broke after a few years of use. The tension on the lock itself was much less with only one spring working and immediately noticeable. I used it for about a week before the other spring broke. I sent the knife in to Benchmade and they returned it within two weeks.
 
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