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Will there ever be a paramilitary flipper?

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Will there ever be a paramilitary flipper?

Just got my first PM2 - love it. Very solid yet streamlined design. I'd love to see a ball bearing pivot version with a flipper. Think of the incredible sales. Is there something about the design that wouldn't work in a flipper configuration?
 
I tried a couple of spyderco flippers last year and just couldn't figure out the appeal. One of the best design features of spyderco knives is the opening hole. It is more functional than any other existing design in my opinion. When I handled the domino and the southard they just seemed a bit silly to me. Nothing bad to say about the mechanics or action (both of the knives were very well made and functioned flawlessly) but the whole flipper thing just felt kind of superfluous on a spyderco. Like tits on a boar hog. Obviously plenty of folks disagree as both models seem to sell quite well and receive much praise.

Edit: sorry to hijack with my rant. A pm2 flipper would be fine with me as long as they still offered the original.
 
I wish. It would be very easy to have one come out of the front edge of the choil. I'm not sure that the detent is strong enough, though.
 
Some like flippers some don't, for me it depends on the blade design. I like to open blades with my index finger, and carry tip up, it's fast and secure IMO being my thumb and 3 fingers are controlling the blade instead of having to draw it, then shift it to my palm and fingers. For this reason I don't care for thumb studs, too easy for a finger to slip, the spyderhole completely outclasses studs in this regard, far easier to flick open, it also doesn't get in the way of cutting.

Axis lock, BB lock, and the compression lock also give the choice of releasing the lock detent with the index finger and flipping it open without having to touch the blade, they tend to be really strong locks, and allow a blade to flip closed just as easy. Flippers are better than thumb studs(although most flippers have both), but not as versatile as a lock that acts as a detent, I especially appreciate them on framelocks where they serve as a large guard to keep your finger from sliding on the blade, and a stop to keep the blade from closing on your hand as you deactivate the lock. The PM2 doesn't require you to put your fingers in the way of the blade, or even touch the blade opening or closing, although the spyderhole does allow you to open it slowly and with good control if you want. The design also serves utility well with the 2 finger choils, big enough to keep your finger from slipping in the handle choil, yet easy to choke up to the 50/50 choil for detail work. A flipper between them, assuming one could clear the lock mechanism in the first place might get in the way of the 50/50 choil and would take away from the design, you would give up a lot in order to get a redundant 3rd opening method.

The bronze bushings when broken in and adjusted properly have no blade play and practically no friction, about the same as a bearing system, although once a detent on a lockbar pushes the blade to the side and creates some pressure a bronze bushing does have more friction than a bearing system, although it doesn't add nearly as much as the detent sliding over the blade. If you push the lock on a PM2 that has been maintained and broken in, the blade should flop open without any friction, bearings add cost and complexity, they are also thicker than PB washers and need more of a gap, or to be countersunk between the blade and liners/frame. Like a flipper, a bearing system is another design feature better suited to larger framelocks.
 
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I've thought this before as well. I prefer the Spydie hole for opening, but I would appreciate the extra finder guard the flipper would provide.
 
I don't think it would improve the design, plus it would take up more pocket space. The knife is already so easy to open with the massive spydie hole.
 
Not a flipper fan, plus wouldn't it interfere with the compression lock?

If I wanted a flipper I'd poach a dolphin.
 
No thanks, the knife is great as it currently is designed.

Mine opens so easily that it practically is a flipper..

I'm with you guys. Flippers are cool but I'm happy with the PM2 as is. The lock combined with the bushing pivot gives it very good action throughout. To each his own though... but adding a flipper would probably have to put in a stronger detent which ruins the free swinging motion of the knife in the closed position.

There's many PM2 flippers on Ebay however :p The different kind.
 
I like to open blades with my index finger, and carry tip up, it's fast and secure IMO being my thumb and 3 fingers are controlling the blade instead of having to draw it, then shift it to my palm and fingers.

If you carry the para2 tip-down it will be just as secure and might be even faster. I pull the knife out and open it without having to shift it in my hand like I have to do with a tip-up knife like a Manix2 or Bradley folder. I have a ZT with a flipper and it works partly because of its very strong detent, but I prefer less detent and prefer the Para2 as it is. I don't have a problem with Spyderco making more flippers although I would want the Para2 to stay like it is. I believe a flipper would work with the compression lock, but would not work with the BB lock.
 
To answer your question a flipper would not interfere with the compression lock... What would happen is the finger choil would have to be greatly enlarged which is not bad in my opinion... But that is a huge design change and not likely to happen...
 
Axis lock, BB lock, and the compression lock also give the choice of releasing the lock detent with the index finger and flipping it open without having to touch the blade, they tend to be really strong locks, and allow a blade to flip closed just as easy.

My PM2 won't flip open this way, but it is new.

The reason I'm so interested in flippers is that I've got a bad thumb on my right hand which makes it slow to open knives with only a stud or hole.

And I'm not saying Spyderco should eliminate the non-flipper version, just add a new model.
 
You never know, it would not surprise me, flippers are all the rage right now.
 
My PM2 won't flip open this way, but it is new.

The reason I'm so interested in flippers is that I've got a bad thumb on my right hand which makes it slow to open knives with only a stud or hole.

And I'm not saying Spyderco should eliminate the non-flipper version, just add a new model.

Use your middle finger instead to flip it open.
 
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