Windproof Waterproof Jacket help

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Hey everyone i asked this same question in gadgets & gear and got some good leads but thought i would pick your brains here also. Right now i have a Cabelas windshear jacket with Thinsulate insulation. When it gets extra cold i have a old ECWCS shell i wear over it. Always worked pretty good problem is there almost worn out and it's a pretty bulky setup. Looking at a Helly Hanson Zeta jacket like the water wind proof feature and the removable liner. Have about $150.00 to spend any advice? Thanks in advance Rich .
 
What are you going to use it for? Lots of options these days.

For general backpacking, I've moved to super light like the Marmot Precip. Stays in the pack unless its pouring. I hate hiking in waterproof shells.
 
What are you going to use it for? Lots of options these days.

For general backpacking, I've moved to super light like the Marmot Precip. Stays in the pack unless its pouring. I hate hiking in waterproof shells.

Gonna be a all aroud jacket i live in Chicago so gets pretty cold also ride a road bike all year round . So windproof is important waterproof not so much. There is way to many choices im pretty much setup for my under layer's have fleece and wool looking more for a shell. Just would like something that will last .
 
Cabelas Guideware is on sale for $159. I've been using one this winter, not heavily insulated so you'd want to layer under it in Chicago but so far it's been 100% wind and waterproof.
 
Cabelas Guideware is on sale for $159. I've been using one this winter, not heavily insulated so you'd want to layer under it in Chicago but so far it's been 100% wind and waterproof.

I've used g-tex shells/parka's, etc for decades.... starting back when "The North Face" meant *quality* and have had top-of-the-line shells from every major manufacturer except Arcteryx. I can honestly say my Cabela's "GuideWear" g-tex shell is made with the durability and quality the way mountain shells *used* to be made. It's not lightweight so it's unpopular with the mountaineering crowd of this generation, but i don't wear it for mountaineering (hiking yes, climbing not yet).... It is absolutely waterproof (thus windproof) and is a stellar bargain - i paid $230 a couple years ago and would pay it again if i needed another one.

If you can get one (in your size) for $159 snap it up. Right now.
 
Duluth trading company has a hooded shoreman's fleece that is wind and waterproof.

I have it and it is excellent, was out in the 20s yesterday and was not cold at all. The wind was gusting at 20 also...no issues. However this garment is a fleece...it is. Three layer design, fleece outside (which will get wet in the rain) with a waterproof wind proof membrane then an inside fleece layer. The outside can get wet but should get past the membrane. Just be aware of this if you plan on using this in wet weather which I do not think it will do go in.
 
Dont think the Duluth jacket would work for me the fleece would probably hold water . The Cabelas is a nice coat but out of my price range unless i find one on sale i picked a bad time of the year to do this but i didnt think about it till i needed it . Gonna keep looking Helly Hanson has a few that might fit the bill . Thanks everybody
 
Gonna be a all aroud jacket i live in Chicago so gets pretty cold also ride a road bike all year round . So windproof is important waterproof not so much. There is way to many choices im pretty much setup for my under layer's have fleece and wool looking more for a shell. Just would like something that will last .

Legion,

I've been cycling for over 30 years, as well a backpacking for nearly as long. My road riding is mostly for fitness (not racing) and commuting and back in the day, long-distance touring (Seattle->Boston among others).

I've gone through more waterproof/breathable jackets than I can count and have concluded they all die eventually. Interestingly, I end up using the same shell system for riding that I do when backpacking/ski touring. Here's what works for me.

I use 2 lightweight but relatively inexpensive shells instead of one.

The first is a simple, single layer, non-waterproof wind shirt. My favorite is no longer made but I suspect you can find something similar. It is made out of Pertex polyester. It has a nice, close fitting collar, which I consider essential for cycling and pit-zips, which I consider essential for both. If the current OR Vigor had pitzips, it would be very similar. It is sized on a snug side and will just fit on over my thickest fleece. I've had this jacket for well over 10 years and there is just nothing on it to fail, other than the zippers and the fabric to wear through. Pertex polyester is more sun rot resistant than nylon, very windproof and will stand up to a drizzle just fine. It is also much more breathable than any WP/B jacket. If I need a shell while riding or hiking, this will be the jacket I use. If cost is a big issue, any unlined nylon windbreaker will do, even without the pitzips. I see them at Kmart, Target and Walmart for under $20 regularly.

In the pack (or panniers, when on the bike), I also carry a Marmot Precip. I hunt for them on sale. I've come to regard all WP/B jackets as disposable. Pack straps will destroy any jacket I've used in 3-5 seasons. I minimize this wear by refusing to wear the jacket unless I absolutely need to. The light weight means there's little penalty to carrying it. I like the Precip because a) it's cut long in the sleeves and doesn't ride up when riding, b) it has a fully constructed collar, which I consider essential and c) it has pit zips so I can blow off steam while riding. The hood works both over and under a helmet.

I've had numerous heavy duty Wp/B jackets over the years from makers like TNF, Patagonia and Lowe. I don't rock climb and do very little lift-served skiing, two things that I think might warrant heavy fabrics.

Hope some of this is helpful.
 
I have been looking into the Marmont also and i will check out the windproofs . I ride for the same reasons as you i very tuff on my gear so i do realize nothing last forever i couldnt even try to tell you how many pairs of pants ive killed even my jeans .
 
+1 on the Marmot Precip. I have one and love it. I got it for $90 on a closeout sale at a local ski shop. It's very light and well-made. I also have one of The North Face's old mountain jackets. It's bomb-proof and feature-laden, but heavy and bulky. I usually use it in the winter months. It's close to ten years old and still looks new!

I have only tried one of Cabela's waterproof/breathable jackets, and the liner came apart after the second or third season of light use. I'm sure their products are made by a variety of manufacturers, so YMMV with the style you're looking at (mine was a specialized bow-hunting jacket).

Stay sharp,
desmobob
 
Gonna have to make my mind up soon my Cabelas coat somehow has lost it's insulation or maybe it's just me but it's only in the 20s and I'm getting cold a lot faster guess it's just worn out.
 
I wear a Barbour beaufort (I think), and bought a green quilted Barbour jacket that can be worn on its own or used as a liner to the Barbour coat. Waxing maintenance is no longer necessary - I've had mine for 20 plus years and age makes it look better, and it has lots of pockets, including game pockets in the back of the jacket.
 
I have a Northface (TNF) Apex Bionic jacket that is nice...I also live around chicago so I have somewhat of the same needs. The bionic is a nice jacket, it is 100% windproof and water resistant. It is an athletic cut and doesnt run past the waist. It is not a very insulated jacket but if you are active it is good. I grabbed mine a few years back for well under 100 on sale. TNF has become more of a fashion company but they still make a few very good pieces. This is one of them. I do like my duluth better. It runs past my waist and is warmer for me on day to day winter. The bionic would not do go enough on a day like today that is 19 if you are not moving around. Skip the Windwall not 100% windproof...and it isnt good for cold days! Pamir is pretty good it is Gore Windstopper but not a heavily insulated jacket. The Pamir is a little looser fit as well. In any case all mentioned are not heavily insulated...more needed for layering. Now they have one that is called Chromium Thermal Jacket I have not seen it but it looks like a longer fit...not an athletic cut so it should go a little past the waist (if you want that, I prefer a coat cut like that). It has a little more insulation. If you can go look at these...go to the northface store downtown and try them on. I wouldnt buy it there for you will pay full retail.
 
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