"Wootz" Damascus sources/Makers. ??

H

HJK

Moderator
Joined
Jun 30, 1999
Messages
29,071
Serguey Lounyov http://members.tripod.com/lounyov/
Has anyone tried a "wootz" damascus knife from this source? How does it compare to Al Pendray and Roselli http://www.roselli.fi/1/index-eng.html ? Anyone have a link for Al or a selection of his work? And why are all these wootz so bloody hard to find? And are they really that good? And are they really wootz? And isn't it time I actually used a whole sentence?




[This message has been edited by HJK (edited 05-29-2001).]
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HJK:
And why are all these wootz so bloody hard to find? And are they really that good? And are they really wootz? And isn't it time I actually used a whole sentence?
</font>
Click to expand...

They are so hard to find becouse it takes a lot of hard work and skills to make it. Another wootz maker besides those listed in your post is Achim Wirtz. He knows a lot on the subject and recently made some wootz. Check out http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum51/HTML/002615.html

 
Thanks Flava.
I know "wootz" is hard to make and very specialized. But so sre traditional japanese blades and the best modern damascus, and I can more easily find a Howard Clark or a Michael Walker than a wootz. I don't believe the wootz produced today is up there in terms of difficulty with either of those two makers, for example.
Anyway, thanks for the link. The blade posted sure looks wonderful. Has anyone tried out a knife from that source? How does it perform? Are any available anywhere?
 
Yes, I have a knife form Achim (not a wootz one YET
biggrin.gif
) http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum4/HTML/002217.html
. He makes excelent knives, beutiful and very solid. If you want more detailed informations, email him directly on achim.wirtz.wuerselen@mail.aachen.de
 
Larry! There are some VERY beautiful knives on your site! But I didn't see any wootz.
Can you tell us a little about your wootz [how does it differ from your other damascus, how high the carbon content is] and how it performs. And if there are any pictures, to start with
smile.gif
 
Please note that Mr. Roselli is NOT selling true Wootz blades. He makes this clear on his website; they are blades treated to LOOK like Wootz.

Mr. Pendray's process is protected by U.S. Patent and is thus proprietary.

Walt
 
Please note that Mr. Roselli is NOT selling true Wootz blades. He makes this clear on his website; they are blades treated to LOOK like Wootz.

Mr. Pendray's process is protected by U.S. Patent and is thus proprietary.

Walt
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Walt Welch:
Please note that Mr. Roselli is NOT selling true Wootz blades. He makes this clear on his website; they are blades treated to LOOK like Wootz.

Mr. Pendray's process is protected by U.S. Patent and is thus proprietary.
</font>
Click to expand...

I don't know that it's that clear, Walt. Considering the Finnish bent for utility over form, and Roselli's long tradition of hand forged utilitarian knives, I find it doubtful that Roselli is putting an ornamental coating or treatment on their blades.

I purchased a prototype wootz hunter from Roselli (via James Mattis - thanks James!) back in 99, and they were then describing their steel as crucible formed cakes of ultra-high carbon steel - wootz. From the 1.5-2% carbon they are citing in their description, it would appear that this is still what they are cooking.

I've sent a note to my contact at Roselli asking him to explain, and will post the response when I receive it.
 
I think there are a number of makers (like Larry) who are today forge forming wootz. Many of the raw steels available contain the same trace impurities (if you want to call manganese, molybdenum and/or vanadium impurities) that helped make the original wootz what it was. That, higher carbon, and careful temperature cycling is what I understand forms the wootz pattern and structure.

One maker I know is doing this routinely, but is reluctant to call it "wootz".

------------------
Jerry Hossom
www.hossom.com
The Tom & Jerry Show
 
Originally posted by GaKnife:
I think there are a number of makers (like Larry) who are today forge forming wootz.

i make it in a ceramin cruciable
1 to 2 % c


Many of the raw steels available contain the same trace impurities (if you want to call manganese, molybdenum and/or vanadium impurities) that helped make the original wootz what

where can i get some pure vanadium

it was. That, higher carbon, and careful temperature cycling is what I understand forms the wootz pattern and structure.

One maker I know is doing this routinely, but is reluctant to call it "wootz".

don,t think its all thta great!!!
i like L6 better
smile.gif

harley
i,ve got L6 with v in it comeing
harley
www.lonesomepineknives.com



------------------
Click to expand...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top