Working stainless with hand tools

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So I have come to that point which many of us knife enthusiasts reach, the desire to make my own blade. I'm not expecting a while lot from my first attempt(s). I do plan on sending my results to be professionally heat treated.

In the counts advice to new knife makers V35 he suggests that the most economical steels to use, if only sending one or two out for treatment, are 154cm, CPM 154, S35VN and Elmax.

I am wondering if any of these is easier to shape with hand tools than the others. I am open to other steels if they can be economically heat treated. I would prefer stainless, and in a stock 1/8 or thinner. I will be attempting a small kitchen knife and possibly a small edc type fixed blade.

My apologies if I missed this information in my searches and thanks in advance for your help!
 
O1 is supposed to be soft as butter.

I'm about to start my first one too. Already got the steel and plan on getting it hardened once done but if there's some better steel I would like to know as well.

Thank you.
 
My recommendation is ABE-L It is easy (well as I see it) to use, get hardened, great for cutting knifes and good to resharpen !!! Go to Alpha Knife Supply. You can probably get a size you want without buying a big piece. It's made by the same people that make M390 and Elmax which are hard to find in useable knife maker sizes. I just finished a fish knife - a folding one of course - with the ABE-L. What an edge as always with this material at 61 RC and flexibility beyond what I thought was possible. Frank
 
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I made my first few knives with hand files 440C stainless and Lots of Sandpaper!
They are all pretty close to shape with hand tools in an annealed state. With 440C and the two CPM 154's being the easiest then S35VN.
Stay away from S30V Its tough with a real 2 x 72 Belt grinder. 440C is CHEAP! Any place that HTs stainless can do it and its really the grand daddy of all of the others mentioned. I use it today along with the others mentioned! 440C maces excellent culinary & hunting knives. Also if you want to make a mirror finish knife?
440C works great!
 
I'm interested in AEB-L, I'm not sure where to go for heat treat. Do you know of anyone in Washington that does heat treat with AEB-L or 440c?
 
In the counts advice to new knife makers V35 he suggests that the most economical steels to use, if only sending one or two out for treatment, are 154cm, CPM 154, S35VN and Elmax.

I believe this advice stems from Texas Knife Supply's HT service being the cheapest advertised service for 1 or 2 blades (under 10") however they are limited to air quenching steels only. I do not know if they do AEB-L but according to Alpha Knife Supply's info page (great resource) it can be oil, plate or air quenched . As a material it is significantly cheaper than any of those you listed. It is about the same price or cheaper than 440C.

I asked a similar question on another forum, that is a little more technical, concerning working 5160 by hand compared to other steels and here is a snippet of the answer given to me by our own in house Guru-Mod, Stacy...

"Let's take a look at what happens when you file steel. The hardened teeth have a sharp and toothy edge. These edges will be in the Rockwell 65-70 area....sometimes even higher. However, they are also fairly brittle. If the steel is annealed and soft, the file is much harder, and the teeth bite into the soft steel. The steel pulls apart along the grain boundaries, and tiny pieces tear out...called filings. If the stroke is done well, and the steel is right, the filing that comes out is a thin thread of steel. If the steel is harder, or the file is dulled, the piece comes off as a smaller chip. If there is more than .84% carbon, or any carbide forming alloy ingredients, we have to deal with hard carbides. These carbides are harder than the file....and like to hang out along the grain boundaries...right where the file is trying to do its work. Now, if we condition the steel by spheroid annealing it ( spheroidizing), the carbides get balled up in little bundles, and these pull out fairly easy. If the steel is un-annealed, or there are too many carbides, or the steel is complex to anneal, then we are dealing with things that are like microscopic spiked mace balls....and they will tear up your file teeth. Since the carbides are equal to or harder than the file , and the file is brittle, the edge of the file tooth will start microscopically chipping....making the file dull and less effective at removing steel. It will also greatly increase the amount of pressure from your hand needed to make the file cut. That is why I said some steels are not tool or hand friendly to hand file.

Now, let's look at steels to hand file in order of ease.
Simple carbon steels with .84% carbon or less are the easiest - 1060,1075, 1080,1084.
Similar carbon content steels with moderate alloy content are next - 5160, 9260
Hyper-eutectoid steels with no or low alloy content - 1095, W1/2, O-1, A-2
CPM steels have the metal balled up in tiny particles are fairly hand friendly - CPM-154
Basic stainless steel is OK, too - 440C, ATS-34/154CM
Complex, high alloy, stainless and hyper-eutectoid steels are going to be the worst to hand file - 3V, S90V, etc."

Hope this helps. Good luck.
 
That is very interesting. Based on the lower cost of 440c and AEB-L, I will likely use one of these steels once I locate a heat treatment facility
 
AEB-L will be a good steel for hand work. It is low carbon, and does not have the carbides. It has plenty of free chromium for stain resistance. In a very simplified statement - AEB-L is stainless 1070.
http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=AEB-L

440C vs S35VN:
http://zknives.com/knives/steels/steelgraph.php?nm=Bohler-Udderholm AEB-L, 440C, S35Vn&hrn=1&gm=0

S35VN is not all that hard to work by hand, but AEB-L would be easier and produce a great knife.

AEB-L has no excess carbides, so there are no big balls of carbides to determine how thin the edge can get. That is why they make razor blades from it. It takes an insanely sharp edge. It won't last as long as the edge on S35VN with all the tough carbides, but it will make a wonderful knife....especially for a slicer. It takes a great polish, IIRC.
 
I checked out Tru Grit and $10 seems reasonable for good heat treat, however they let the customer determine what rc to request. Does AEB-L have a goldilocks rc? I'm sure it depends on what you will use it for. My plan is for a thin kitchen knife and a small edc fixed blade.
 
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