Would I be banned for questioning the rationality/morality of relationship w/Israel?

scotchleaf

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Would I be banned for questioning the rationality/morality of relationship w/Israel?

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers, and I don't want to discuss this if questioning the conservative viewpoint on this issue will get me banned.
 
scotchleaf said:
Would I be banned for questioning the rationality/morality of relationship w/Israel?

I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers, and I don't want to discuss this if questioning the conservative viewpoint on this issue will get me banned.
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I would hope that given the proper approach and decorum we could broach this topic.
 
I wouldn't think so. Not unless you are quoting from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion or something.
 
I moved this to Tech Support so you can get answers to your question, and then if you like, you can post an actual political topic in that forum.
 
To answer the question from my point of view of this subject, rationality IS morality, but you may want to define the question in terms of one or the other, and if both, to define what you mean by each.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
To answer the question from my point of view of this subject, rationality IS morality, but you may want to define the question in terms of one or the other, and if both, to define what you mean by each.
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By rationality I mean "what would machiavelli do?" or "what would Dick Cheney do?" (if domestic political considerations could be ignored)

By morality I mean "What would Jesus do?" (Now thats an interesting question, since he was a resident of the area)
 
I'm afraid your partisan, narrow-minded attitude is going to trash yet another potentially valuable discussion, but please go ahead. You won't be banned for asking.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I'm afraid your partisan, narrow-minded attitude is going to trash yet another potentially valuable discussion, but please go ahead. You won't be banned for asking.
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That seems to sum things up well with wisdom, but what else would I expect ;))
 
I think such a topic could be discussed IF the OP stayed very involved and helped to keep it on track and civil. IMO it wouldn't be fair to the Mods to start such a possibly volatile discussion and then just dump responsibility for it's "progress" (or lack there of) onto them.
 
Questions can always be asked. If it's used as a talking point to lambast one side while ignoring the failings of another... well there are plenty of other places to argue :)
 
scotchleaf said:
By rationality I mean "what would machiavelli do?" or "what would Dick Cheney do?" (if domestic political considerations could be ignored)

By morality I mean "What would Jesus do?" (Now thats an interesting question, since he was a resident of the area)
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Here's the first overt problem. By setting one side equal to Macchiavelli and Cheney, you are suggesting a raw appeal to power which is most often portrayed as inhumane. By setting the other side equal to Jesus, you cloak it in sanctity.

In other words, the fix is in, the debate is slanted by definition. I would point out as well that the Land of Israel in Jesus' time, and the State of Israel today, are both majority Jewish, a significant point which your definitions ignore.
 
I personally think the Political Forum should just go away. More problems than it's worth.
 
Esav, to characterize as narrow minded the view that Jesus is a measure of morality is itself narrow minded. Those with whom you do not agree are not by definition narrow minded.
 
Ken C. said:
I personally think the Political Forum should just go away. More problems than it's worth.
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But it does provide one solution: it gives politically charged chatter a place to be sent to... "Hey, that's a topic better suited for the Political Forum."

If we got rid of the political forum, I worry that its content finds insidious ways of spreading all over the site.

Right now it's sort of a dumping ground for all sorts of anger-producing ideas. :o
 
No, it is not. We close political threads outside the Political Arena. We do not move them there if they do not meet the requirements. We could just as easily leave the heading in place with links to several outside websites that host political discussions of their own. It would save our staff a lot of time.
 
powernoodle said:
Esav, to characterize as narrow minded the view that Jesus is a measure of morality is itself narrow minded. Those with whom you do not agree are not by definition narrow minded.
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Please read my entire statement and try to integrate what I said. I did not say anything about narrow-mindedness. I said by slanting the definitions he gave to each side -- rationality and morality -- he distorted the debate from the start.

It's called "begging the question": assuming your conclusions as axiomatic.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I'm afraid your partisan, narrow-minded attitude is going to trash yet another potentially valuable discussion, but please go ahead. You won't be banned for asking.
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How have I been narrow minded? I don't see detesting both parties (but one more than the other) is partisan.

It seems to me that just going along with the majority libertarian perspective would be the easist course.

How have I trashed any discussion?
 
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