WOW! Do you know how much European Hell Razor costs?

Walking Man

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I just did the math, and with current exchange rates it's in the $400-405 range.
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I'm sure the extra expense is justified with import taxes and shipping costs, etc., but... dang. I'm glad I won't have to pay that for a Hell Razor!
 
yep, we are being robbed...:mad: you should see the prices for Chris Reeve sebenzas around here, a nice 1 will set you back around 830-900 USD :jerkit:
i buy all my stuff in the US (god bless the internet lol), with customs it's still a bit cheaper for me then buying it in a store over here (if and when they sell what i want that is).
And sometimes a package gets thru without getting spotted by a customs-dude, thats a feast!! :D
 
The prices in the European Busse store are definately too high. The hellraiser costs $110 more than the US price. In addition to this there is shipping costs. What is pushing the price up this much?
Some European contries have shady postal services, so I can understand that Busse have been having problems with shipments. But postal services between the US and Scandinavian countries works really well. I have ordered several knives from the US with no problems. USPS global express and the knife is here within a week:) This no European shipping policy definately makes it difficult being a Busse lover from Europe, and very expensive. And what about the company store? most of the knives available in the company store are not made available in the European Busse store. They don´t stock the Air bleeder for example. And with the Extravaganzaaaaa I could just sit back and twiddle my thumps with no option to participate:(
 
cimande said:
The prices in the European Busse store are definately too high.
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You don't know that..... They have to ship, have import taxes, shipping insurance, have to pay for extra staff members in Germany, etc. etc. Yes, it seems like a lot, and I'm sorry about increased price, but I very much doubt Jerry would take increase prices beyond what is necessary.
 
Walking Man said:
You don't know that..... They have to ship, have import taxes, shipping insurance, have to pay for extra staff members in Germany, etc. etc. Yes, it seems like a lot, and I'm sorry about increased price, but I very much doubt Jerry would take increase prices beyond what is necessary.
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So basically we have to pay for import taxes and shipping twice, which would amount to more than $250 above the US purchase price. All I´m saying is that the no shipping to all European countries policy, and the inflated prices of the Euro store makes it a lot harder for us to participate in the fun. Shipping a knife to Sweden is a completely different story than shipping a knife to Russia for example. I also doubt that the prices are intentionally increased above what is necessary, but there should be a better solution. Normally if a company has a foreign branch/retailer the product is shipped wholesale and the final prices would reflect that.
 
If there really is a better to reduce way costs, you should try to contact Jerry, or maybe whoever runs the Busse Germany store. It would be to everyone's benefit if they could reduce prices for you.
 
Walking Man said:
If there really is a better to reduce way costs, you should try to contact Jerry, or maybe whoever runs the Busse Germany store. It would be to everyone's benefit if they could reduce prices for you.
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Really?? Everyones? Everyones???

What was the purpose of starting this thread?

Didn't Jerry already explain all of this a while ago??
 
Really?? Everyones? Everyones???
Feeling a little sarcastic tonight, are we?
Yes, it would be to everyone's benefit.(lower price for Busse Combat and the buyer = more sales for Busse Combat and cheaper price for the buyer)
I don't know that it could be done, but cimande seems confident of this.
What was the purpose of starting this thread?
Why not? Did I do something wrong?
Didn't Jerry already explain all of this a while ago??
I have no idea.
 
I too wondered at the purpose of the thread. You live in OH for cripes sake Ed, At the most you have to pay state sales tax.

Cimande,

I am curious. Are there any laws that prohibit an american citizen, not a retailer of knives from shipping a knife to your location in Europe? I am not being a smart ass, I am seriously curious because I have often had folks from outside the US ask if I would ship to them and honestly I am uncomfortable with it because I do not know all the legal aspects of it. I know there are certain restriction on what can be shipped to Australi, I would bet there are similar restriction in other countries. The responsibility would of course be on the buyer to avoid breaking the law in his or her own country but I still wonder about the ramifications on my side. If there are no legal hinderances, why not find yourself a proxy buyer in the US to snag blades for you and mail them to you? You would still have to pay your import taxes either way right? Isn't that what your country is worried about, not getting their cut of the action? I sympathize with the folks outside the US, but I don't believe the prices are jacked up unnecessarily, there has to be a reason for the cost increase.
 
What is your business background? Just curious as to your "insight" on pricing models....

I never said I had any insight concerning the pricing of models.

Did you do anything wrong? Did you answer my question? What was the intent of this post?[/QUOTE]

No, I didn't answer your question, nor do I intend to unless you explain yourself. For some reason you seem to think that I have unfriendly intentions with this post, otherwise you wouldn't be asking this. I think I have a right to know why you're asking before I answer, before you continue publicly attacking me..
 
thatmguy said:
Did you do anything wrong? Did you answer my question? What was the intent of this post?
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Yes, please answer my question. DID I DO SOMETHING WRONG?
I have no wish to stir up trouble. Really.
I'd like to know so I can continue to be a friendly, happy part of this forum. I know I've said some rude things in the past, but I'm doing my best to not repeat those mistakes.
As a moderator, I think you owe it to me to tell me point blank, Did I do something wrong?
BECAUSE I SINCERELY HAVE NO WISH TO OFFEND ANYONE!
Thanks.
LET ME POINT OUT: that this is what I typed in my first post:
I'm sure the extra expense is justified with import taxes and shipping costs, etc., but... dang. I'm glad I won't have to pay that for a Hell Razor!
I don't if it changes anything, but I did go out of my way to say I'm sure the price was justified. Thanks.
 
Ed, I have to question any post that brings up touchy or inflammatory subjects.

The pricing factors that govern the prices of the Busse – Germany items were explained in Dirks post some time ago. Is it ideal for our European hog brethren, no, but it is the price structure that must occur.

Further, I do not know the legal business relationship of Busse US (BU) to Busse Germany (BG). It may be that BG has to buy for BU outright. If so, then BU has a specific price that it must sell them to BG at to make the BU expected margin plus cover costs. Then, BG must sell at a price determined by their cost (BU sell price, plus shipping costs, any additional tariffs, fees, etc) plus their desired margin, which is used to cover their operating costs (payroll, rent, warehousing, utilities, etc.) PLUS make a profit. When they make a sale, I would assume there are additional taxes that are then added to that price due to various government regulations.

All of this was outlined in Dirk’s post as shown above.

Are the hogs not in the US paying more (in $US) than we are, it may appear so. Again, I do not know, relatively speaking, if they are or not. What is the relative price ratio of other similar products to our knives?

Of course, your post also caused the subject to be brought up of the decision to not ship from BU to European destinations. This was not something Jerry did flippantly or without regard to his business future. I do know that the shop had been deluged with requests from individuals to falsify documents related to pricing to attempt to skirt legal taxes in their country. I myself have had several individuals from other countries ask for the same “favor”, essentially “break a law so I can save a few units of my currency.”

Also, to the best of my knowledge, The Busse Company Store, owned by M&M Skunk, is in no way connected to the Busse Germany site/store, other than by product line. Their business decisions about shipping policies are theirs to make. I do not know the basis for these decisions. They would have to be asked. I know you did not ask this, but it came up as a result of your post, therefore needs to be addressed.

Not only this, but your statement that Jerry should lower his prices so he can make more unit sales, well, just doesn’t make sense. Price drives demand, lower price means increased demand, which to answer, means increased production, which means more production resources (machinery, people), which means increased production costs, which means prices have to rise to make a desired margin, which means that lower prices will no longer be available. A vicious circle, but basic econ.

Did you do anything wrong? I don’t know. That is why I asked your intent behind the posting. If it was to re-open the sensitive subject of overseas pricing, then yes. If not, then why?

Yes, on one level, I do owe you an explanation of my questions, but you too must understand my job as moderator.

When a topic is brought up that concerns a past sensitive issue, I have to question the post originator, no matter who it is as to their intent.

That is what I don’t get paid for. Maybe this would fit into that post in the Swamp about most dangerous professions…. ;)
 
As for my intentions, here is an exact copy of the PM that I sent Progunner.
I am very sorry, but I didn't know this was a touchy subject.
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"Why? I don't know.... I was just surprised that's all. There was another thread where sales tax was mentioned, and I just guess I'm thankful that I don't have to pay it (European prices). I just saw this, and thought I'd mention it. No evil intentions. What is the intention of a lot of posts on the Busse forum? Often times, none, so why do I need to explain my intentions? Because you have "suspicions"? C'mon on.... I'm just a Busse fan from Ohio, same as yourself without the Ohio part."
 
thatmguy said:
Not only this, but your statement that Jerry should lower his prices so he can make more unit sales, well, just doesn’t make sense. Price drives demand, lower price means increased demand, which to answer, means increased production, which means more production resources (machinery, people), which means increased production costs, which means prices have to rise to make a desired margin, which means that lower prices will no longer be available. A vicious circle, but basic econ.
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I would like you to note that I didn't state that I had any knowledge of how business is or is not done. Since cimande seemed to be fairly confident of this, I felt that maybe both he and Busse Combat could benefit. I don't know enough to agree or disagree, and that's I recommended that bring it up with the powers that be, after all talking about here is just... talk.
 
thatmguy said:
Of course, your post also caused the subject to be brought up of the decision to not ship from BU to European destinations
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Last thing here.... I had no idea that I opened a "can of worms" I didn't know what subjects would or wouldn't be brought up.
I honestly just didn't know!

So, go ahead and lock this thread... NOTHING to see here. :thumbup:
 
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