Yet another tale of the first khukur (with crappy pics).

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Apologies for a longwinding post. Being brief is not one of my strong traits! ;)

A few weeks ago when planning the jobs for this summer I realized I should get something long and sharp to clear some underbush at the missus' holiday place, an old house from the 1920s with partially overgrown surroundings. So I got a couple of cheap yet likely serviceable machetes (gifting one to my dad). Wilst in this acquisitional mode and giving in to my old love and fascination for knives, I stumbled across the khukuri and started doing a bit of research on them. Of course I'd heard about them before being a history buff, but getting one never really occured to me. I didn't know they where still made "properly" and though all there was to get was tourist crap. Then I came across the HI store and bladeforums.com....

Now, I am no stranger to the usual kind of knives. My pops gave me my first sharp one when I was about 4 1/2 years old and since then knives have been standard issue for me. I even got letters home from school about this once when my Victorinox folder dropped through a hole in my pockets and landed at the teachers feet. Dad also gave me all kinds of tools the next few years after that, like a small yet proper prybar, saw, hammer, axe and so forth so I'd get used to handling them at a young age. He's an excellent (but not professional) carpenter always working on some kind of project from renovating houses to carving wood, thus I grew up with the smell of sawdust, paint and wood. I'll never get anywhere near his skill with tools and wood, but I love using my shaky hands. I'm a city dweller and photographer/designer/IT-person these days and before that clerk at a hardware store and I just have to face the fact that Photoshop became my "craft". I never leave home without at least a small pocket knife of some kind though. In fact something sharp, duct tape and clamps are essential for photographers, one often need to improvise and rig lightning for instance (hmm, can I carry a khukuri openly under the pretense of being a tool of the trade like carpenters and other craftsmenn do? :D ). All my knives are users though, I can't afford display stuff, nor does it make any sense to me.

The khukri struck me as an interesting tool for camping, limbing trees (I got a whole little pine forrest that I'm slowly working on taking down to let more light in and a chainsaw isn't always practical for limbing in rough terrain) and similar. I'd been thinking to get a somewhat long and heavy variety of the traditional sami-knife which is a simple yet sturdy kind of knife traditionally used by the sami people of northern Norway/Finland/Sweden. They are normally made from old leaf springs just like the khukuris and the larger ones do chop quite well, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sami_knife). The Finnish "Pukko" (HI got a variety of it too) is a small relative of the sami knife. Obviously the khukuri appeared better suited for this purpose, also it was a great excuse to acquire one :D

The initial model I settled on was a "15 Ang Khola. I don't like nedlessly large/heavy blades. Comfort, handling, usability and controll are much more important and frankly, many of these "20-25 khukuris seems excessive unless you'e planing to do really heavy chopping or want them for display or the gadget factor. Well, at least that was my reasoning when ordering...

The AK Auntie sent me is a bone handle one with no cracks and no apparent shrinkage. Shipping was unusually fast for comming from the US (I live in Norway) but the package inevitably got stuck for 4-5 days in customs. Overall fit is good, high grade polish, blade looks and feels excellent although clearly hand forged. It came pretty sharp, but I gave it a little bit of work and brought forward an impressively sharp edge. We'll see if it chips on first heavy use. The handle is large enough, if only just. I think I have normal sized hands for an 185cm/6f "6 guy. I had to file, sand and polish the rear a bit to get rid of some rough edges on the brass. No biggie. I think it's gonna work ok in the field, if not I'll do something more serious with it. From lurking on this forum I sort of expected this. I can't measure the weight (it's around 1.5lbs), but the whole "system", khukuri, scabbard, karda/chakma is not too heavy for carrying in a belt and also easy to stick in the the backpack. The scabbard fits nicely (gave it a treathment with a beeswax based wax, same as I use on my boots), the karda and chakma is as expected, but the sharp one came with a bent tip. Some tinkering with a hammer and a grindstone sorted this out. Very sharp now. I like this khukuri/karda/chakma-concept!

However, I can already foresee an M43 in my future, not really because I think chiruwa style tang is the best thing since sliced bread, but the overall shape and weight distribution is intriguing, at least in theory plus a slightly larger handle than this 15" Ang Khola. The many praising posts on this forum don't help either. Hello again GAS (Gear Acquisitional Syndrome, common term on the many photo forums, also known as CAS and NAS - Canon/Nikon Aquisitional Syndrome) ;). I was thinking of a "12 khukuri, but I don't think that is going to happen now after handling the "15.

I have to thank Auntie, the great craftsmen in Nepal (kamis, sarkis plus their helpers) and this forum for getting, making and guiding me to my first khukuri, it won't be the last, that's for sure. I'll be putting this first one to good use, no question about that!

Now, the customary shots. 1. Nice Trio! 2. Impressive 11mm spine! 3. My high-tech lab-like workshop (I live in a small appartment) :p 4. & 5. Markings.

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Beautiful knife and great pics M4.Limbing pine and brush clearing should be a walk in the park with that one:biggrin:
 
The initial model I settled on was a "15 Ang Khola. I don't like needlessly large/heavy blades. Comfort, handling, usability and control are much more important and frankly, many of these "20-25 khukuris seems excessive unless you're planing to do really heavy chopping or want them for display or the gadget factor. Well, at least that was my reasoning when ordering...
I think your pictures are very good, if you're Mr. Sindre Falk. It is obvious you know your camera and you have skill :thumbup:.
Also, you have good judgement because the 15 inch Ang Khola is a good 1st choice. I recommend to you though to buy or find someone with a real original Khukuri that Nepalis use everyday or in their military. Handle it, practice some chops if possible. I say this because when I started buying Kukris for "practical use" I had no ideal what ones were useful. But after receiving advice from the Kukri forums and getting a couple of antique Nepali Khukuri from ACC/IMA my view was adjusted to what makes a Kukri a Kukri.

What I found was that no two Kukris are alike even from the same company and that real users really were not very heavy. On average I have found these dimensions:
Approximately 17" long, 2-1/2" wide, 3/8" thick, wood or horn handled, and between 19 to 24 oz (550 to 700 grams). Note: this is for military Khukuris from the Royal Nepalese Armory.
Below: MK4 WSC 51 by Berkley
MK4 WSC 51 by Berkley.jpgOf course many people prefer a chopper and they get a 31 oz HI M43 or a fighter/Martial Arts Kukri and they get an 18 oz Sirupate. Still others get a pretty Kukri to put in the house. But for useability and practicality, on a farm or for bushcraft as I said the 15" Ang Khola is a good 1st choice.
 
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Congrats on your first HI kukri. I hope you enjoy it and read some of the info provided on this site including the safety thread. The kukri takes some time getting to know but you should get used to it quickly.
 
Great clear photos !!! And there is no really "wrong" choice for a 1st HI Kuk --- I just got my 1st one also { a YCS } and its a chopping BEAST but still has much eye appeal { "bling" we call it in the States }.

I already have a 2nd and 3rd HI on the way to me and will get them this week --- so we hope you understand that IT IS just your FIRST HI !!!
 
Hey, thanks for reading and replying!

I think your pictures are very good, if you're Mr. Sindre Falk. It is obvious you know your camera and you have skill :thumbup:.

I hope to have a rudimentary knowledge of how to work a camera. I should have, having spending so much time making images the last few years :) It's a craft it takes decades to master though. I'm going to make some studio type product glam shots of this khukuri once I get around to it, preferably before I force a patina on it. Always interesting to photograph and light shiny objects, you learn something new with every new object, they all behave and reflect differently and at times it is incredibly challenging - like threading a needle with boxing glowes.

Also, you have good judgement because the 15 inch Ang Khola is a good 1st choice. I recommend to you though to buy or find someone with a real original Khukuri that Nepalis use everyday or in their military. Handle it, practice some chops if possible. I say this because when I started buying Kukris for "practical use" I had no ideal what ones were useful. But after receiving advice from the Kukri forums and getting a couple of antique Nepali Khukuri from ACC/IMA my view was adjusted to what makes a Kukri a Kukri.

What I found was that no two Kukris are alike even from the same company and that real users really were not very heavy. On average I have found these dimensions:
Approximately 17" long, 2-1/2" wide, 3/8" thick, wood or horn handled, and between 19 to 24 oz (550 to 700 grams). Note: this is for military Khukuris from the Royal Nepalese Armory.
Below: MK4 WSC 51 by Berkley
View attachment 277380Of course many people prefer a chopper and they get a 31 oz HI M43 or a fighter/Martial Arts Kukri and they get an 18 oz Sirupate. Still others get a pretty Kukri to put in the house. But for useability and practicality, on a farm or for bushcraft as I said the 15" Ang Khola is a good 1st choice.

Well, HI appears to be a very serious business despite the somewhat antiquated website, if they recomend or flaunt a certain model as a pretty much safe bet, then I come to the conclusion that it can't really go wrong if not necessarily 100 % perfect. My only concern now is that the other men in the family will want one too! :D I see this thing being a good replacement for a typical carpenters hatchet in many situations for one. Obviously it can also double up as a heavy knife/cutting tool.

That said I have come to understand that modern HI khukuris are...well for the lack of a better word, overbuilt compared to the classic/traditional style. Reasons apparently being several. With any tool understanding it's limitations and strenghts is they key to utilizing it correctly. I've seen some of this "strongest knife in the world" - "use as a prybar" and so forth concerning khukuris. I start to wornder how folks treath their tools. Isn't pretty simple? You use a khukuri to chop and slize. Also, it does not like hitting things harder than itself. It's primarily intended to be used in the direction it's thickest. As prybar in an emergency, yes sure, but day-to-day use? I can understand some peoples desire to have a "bulletproof" device for worst case scenarios though, but what are are the chances you'll have that khukuri at hand when the shit hits the proverbial fan? Oh I'll shut up, I come a across as an insuferable know-it-all and there are many cups of tea in this world :D

Anyhow, the quite substantial variations in dimensions, tapering, fullers, weight and so forth between various types of khukuris and also within the same general "class" are quite fascinating and also confusing at times. This is no doubt an important part of the allure of khukuris and the very existence of this forum is down to this element of variation and the following uniqueness. Now, I doubt I'll ever get my hands on a proper vintage WW2 type khukri because I'm not actively looking to get one. I don't dare buying a vintage item online unless someone I trust vouch for it or I can check it out in persona. Khukuris are few and far between in Norway :D

I'll zone out now. Have a splendid day Sir! :)

Mac
 
Congrats on your first HI kukri. I hope you enjoy it and read some of the info provided on this site including the safety thread. The kukri takes some time getting to know but you should get used to it quickly.

Thanksm, I'm a sissy when it comes to tools, try to be carefull and go slow with the really dangerous one like power saws, angle grinders, axes, chainsaws and such. Experienced some scary glancing blows with axes too and thats the thing I worry most about with the khukuri. With an axe you got more distance and less blade. I'll be carefull!

Mac
 
Great clear photos !!! And there is no really "wrong" choice for a 1st HI Kuk --- I just got my 1st one also { a YCS } and its a chopping BEAST but still has much eye appeal { "bling" we call it in the States }.

I already have a 2nd and 3rd HI on the way to me and will get them this week --- so we hope you understand that IT IS just your FIRST HI !!!

The YCS looks so beautiful and is on the top of my list. I would really love the karda/chakma style/quality too, My impatience however, do not allow for many months of waiting for one :D

Mac
 
M4cr0s if you take glamour shots with your Kukris we wouldn't mind if you used live models too :D.
My opinion on Kukri manufactures is that for me there are three (3) companies that are on top (the best):
Himalayan Imports - High quality, traditional and non-tradition Khukuris. Heavy duty Kukris with western grips and thick spines. Custom makes Kukris for their customers through Special orders. HI has the absolutely best mirror polished Kukris on the market and great heat treatment.
Tora Blades - Strives to make mostly historic Kukri with similar dimensions and weights. Their Kukris are lighter than most Khukuri makers because of this. High quality and excellent heat treating.
Cold Steel - Has one top notch Kukri: The Gurkha Kukri in SK-5 steel. It is a KLO but I think its the best one from a non-Nepali group. It's dimensions screams classic Kukri.

You said:
...if they recomend or flaunt a certain model as a pretty much safe bet, then I come to the conclusion that it can't really go wrong.
I agree with you about HI's Kukris but I'll add Tora Blades models and the Cold Steel Gurkha Kukri. You are a winner with all three companies. It just depends on what you want the big knife for and of course your personal taste.
Don't give up a search for an antique Khukuri. They are out there. From time to time I see a few of Australians selling real Army or private purchase kukris on ebay. Also, on forums like this one people sell theirs for funds to help them in our presently bad economy.

Enjoy Syttende mai/Grunnlovsdagen next week.
 
Sweetcostarica, you have earned my respect as someone who knows quite a bit about kukris and your videos have been quite helpful. I was wondering if you have ever had a chance to handle one of Condor's kukri machetes. I believe that of all the KLO's out there this one handles most like an MKII. Mine is 13 inch blade and weighs 17 ounces and happens to be the best 40 bucks ive ever spent.
 
@ sweetcostarica

I'll see about live models, but don't get your hopes up, hehe :D

Now, truth be told, the different Cold Steel KLOs caught my eye early on in my khukuri-research, especially the "Gurkha Kukri" with San Mai-steel or the "cheap" SK5 Carbon steel one. However, even after shipping and taxes a HI is about half the price and frankly a thing with some soul too. Easy choice! The ka-bar, CS and so forth kukri machetes are a lot cheaper of course, but very different beasts. I've come across Tora blades too, and they seem to have merrits. I've certainly noticed that thing about weight. However, they are pretty expensive and their selection is limited/out of stock right now. Anyway, lets not discuss any more competitors in this thread on HI's official forum. It feels a bit rude. HI khukuris are clearly made to very high standards and among if not the best knives of this type available outside Nepal :)

If I should happen come across an acceptable deal on a vintage khukuri I'll remember your suggestion. Maybe I'll even go looknig :)

Mac
 
I was wondering if you have ever had a chance to handle one of Condor's kukri machetes. I believe that of all the KLO's out there this one handles most like an MKII. Mine is 13 inch blade and weighs 17 ounces and happens to be the best 40 bucks ive ever spent.
Thanks for the nice words. I only have experience with Condor's Bushlore knives which I use often. You have given a glowing recommendation on Condor's kukri machetes though. I will check it out.
 
The khukri struck me as an interesting tool for camping, limbing trees

This is what it's really about for me. While I believe the khukuri is superior to many/most designs for big knife chores, I mainly just LIKE them. A LOT:) There is a romance about them that a machete just doesn't possess, and they make me smile:) Welcome to our disease and thanks for sharing the wonderful photos. Be sure to post again after use. Take care.
 
...However, even after shipping and taxes a HI is about half the price and frankly a thing with some soul too. Easy choice! The ka-bar, CS and so forth kukri machetes are a lot cheaper of course, but very different beasts...HI khukuris are clearly made to very high standards and among if not the best knives of this type available outside Nepal :)
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Forgot about the shipping and duty for Norway. I guess buying foreign products is much more expensive for Europeans.
And I hope no one was offended when I mention other companies. I think comparisons is a good way to review any item but in reality you can't honestly compare Kukri manufactures. I learned that the hard way. There are too many variables and different goals. Also the risk of starting a war of words if very real. I slipped a little but no harm was done. I'll limit future comments to exclude other Khukuri companies unless asked directly. Good advice Mac :thumbup:.
 
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Forgot about the shipping and duty for Norway. I guess buying foreign products is much more expensive for Europeans.
And I hope no one was offended when I mention other companies. I think comparisons is a good way to review any item but in reality you can't honestly compare Kukri manufactures. I learned that the hard way. There are too many variables and different goals. Also the risk of starting a war of words if very real. I slipped a little but no harm was done. I'll limit future comments to exclude other Khukuri companies unless asked directly. Good advice Mac :thumbup:.

Well, yes and no, I'll bore you with some details. Norway is not a part of EU (we'd like to rule our own little pond for as long as we've got the oil money) and got a more protectionist import philosophy than the European Union in general. There several pretty sound reasons for this, but some details are rather wonky/neglected. Basically it's 25 % taxes on top of everything that costs more than 33ish USD these days. Postage excluded. This limit haven't been adjusted for decades, despite general price increase and inflation. Nor the righties or the lefties really wants to change this it seems.. Thus a midrange HI khukuri can end up at little under 200$ after all expenses. However, this is, quite frankly, cheap for a handmade product. Retail prices for not-to-be-mentioned competitors products are much more, depending on steel grade. To put price levels into perspective, 200$ are about what a single city-dweller in Norway will use for food and transportation per week if living a level-headed and carefull life.

Now, on the subject of different offerings and manufacturers. It's a good thing there's a lot to choose from, be it not? There's got to be something that floats pretty much everyones boat out there! :)

Mac
 
Very interesting. Duty, import taxes, inflation, price increases, protectionism = M4cr0s pays more Krones :mad:. So from your situation in Oslo if you do get a Kukri for $200 it better be a good one.
Thanks for explaining your economic situation and I hope I did not insult if I seemed to speak of Norway as part of the EU system (which you pointed out it's not).
 
Going back to the actual khukuri in question I'd like to ad a few experiences from practical use. I've done some chopping and other work with it sort of to familiarize myself with it and see what it can do.

Handle
I can see the merrits of the traditional design, and I don't think I'll have any major problems with it. I'm not sure I'd describe it as comfortable, but I think I'll get used to it and it's definitely functional. I'm still on the fence as regards to modifications of it.

Balance/feel
It feels pretty much exactly in my hand as I'd envisioned before ordering one front heavy, but there's still a kind of balance in it. The front/back balance point is about 1 and 3/4 of an inch in front of the bolster. Yet, it's...wild, it's fast, it turns, twists and dances in the hand just aching to jump forward and chop something. Almost like a stallion smelling the mares over in the next pen ;) That I did not expect, I reasoned the forward heavy models would be if not neutral, at least feel kind of steady due to their weight.

Performance
Well, it chops pretty well with litte effort and the edge shows no sign of rolling or chipping even against relatively dense, dry wood and keeps sharp for a long while. Like any chopping tool it can get stuck, but due to the fullers of this Bhakta made? AK it doesn't seem to get "sucked in" quite as hard as hatchets can. Good accuracy is very much possible, but requires (at least at this stage) full focus and concentration on the tast at hand. The most common kinds of wood found in Norway, Pine/Norway Spruce, Birch and Willow ain't exactly of tropical hardwood density (the birch is however an excellent allround wood and the bark the best tinder in the world) and very workable with a tool like this. I would never attempt downing a "10 birch with it though, unless I had no other option or needed a workout, but stuff up to 5 inches is realistic. Bottom line, it bites in and sends the chips flying with great force. As much I expected! :)

Now for fine work, like cutting and carving small details in wood, removing thin, thin slivers and similar, this is the stuff that had me most curious. The "15 AK works surprisingly well for such tasks, sometimes with a slight adaption of technique. Good control is achieved using the inner, curving part of the blade, holding the handle with the right hand and the material with the left while pushing the back of the blade with the left thumb (for a right-handed person). I can work like this for hours with this khukuri and while it's clearly heavier than with a small belt knife, it's not too heavy at least for me. Had it been 5 or 10 ounces more I doubt I'd feel the same way ;) For the finest kind of work the karda works just as well as other small blades.

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I'm pretty much sold on khukuris by now. The khukuri is my heavy knife of choice, in fact for any kind of outdoor activity that warrant something more sturdy than a small folder, I'll pick a khukuri. Major exception being saltwater fish and the cleaning of it. My beloved and heavily used indestructible had-since-I-was-a-kid stainless steel "9 OAL belt knife will continue to do this grizzly work (I can't believe how well it's held up). The khukuri will come real handy for chopping firewood when fishing from the beach though :)

What'll be my next khukuri I don't know, probably a moderate weight "16-17 something. I have to have a couple of these things ;) I'll know when the tax refunds come! :p The "15 AK seems to be in a real sweetspot between capability, portability and manageability. If you don't own a khukuri but are wondering about getting one I'd advice to take the plunge. These things be an unique combination of old traditions, excellent craftmanship and practical usefullness.

Mac
 
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That sounds great. For shaving and removing thin strips of wood, I find that using it as a draw knife works great.
 
...Now for fine work, like cutting and carving small details in wood, removing thin, thin slivers and similar, this is the stuff that had me most curious. The "15 AK works surprisingly well for such tasks, sometimes with a slight adaption of technique. Good control is achieved using the inner, curving part of the blade, holding the handle with the right hand and the material with the left while pushing the back of the blade with the left thumb (for a right-handed person).
The inner curve part just after the Kauda/Cho was one nice surprise I had too. I bought three (3) Sirupates and they make the easiest and fastest feather sticks of any knife I've owned using that part of the blade. Add what you said about the chopping ability of the "15 Ang Khola and you have a multi-function knife for almost all your bushcraft needs. Money well spent.

...The "15 AK seems to be in a real sweetspot between capability, portability and manageability. If you don't own a khukuri but are wondering about getting one I'd advice to take the plunge. These things be an unique combination of old traditions, excellent craftmanship and practical usefullness.
You know Mac I was thinking from what you just said that the "15 Ang Khola (and similar 15 inchers) would be a perfect BOB or knife for your emergency bag. So I think you must get another Kukri now for that. It's your duty ;). Thanks for a thorough review.
 
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