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Yojimbo 2 vs Paramilitary 2.....Spyderco experts help!:)
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Based on what I've read from Michael Janich, the wharncliffe focuses all of the cutting power to the tip. Even while utilizing slash cuts, the power is in an arc straight to the tip. I'm not an MBC expert and this is how I have interpreted what Mike has said, so take it as you will.
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If you feel the Yojimbo 2 in hand with your thumb resting on the blade, as Michael Janich intended, it's not hard to feel and understand how easily and efficiently it could destroy anything in it's path. I'm using hyperbole but it's really comfortable and really does inspire confidence.
Obviously the Para 2 could create a devastating wound and arguable do similar amounts of damage, give or take. I think the Para 2 just excels at utility first and foremost, and just like most knives, would work great in a self defense role.
Self defense is the main philosophy behind the Yojimbo 2, with ergonomics and cutting power being the focus. I've personally never seen another knife come with a more aggressively laid-back edge angle. If you look at MJ's SD style, it focuses on lots of counter strikes with slashing motions. That's where I think the blade shape of the Yojimbo 2 (bodyguard) would excel. Wharncliffe blades shapes just happen to be great for utility work.
Obviously the Para 2 could create a devastating wound and arguable do similar amounts of damage, give or take. I think the Para 2 just excels at utility first and foremost, and just like most knives, would work great in a self defense role.
Self defense is the main philosophy behind the Yojimbo 2, with ergonomics and cutting power being the focus. I've personally never seen another knife come with a more aggressively laid-back edge angle. If you look at MJ's SD style, it focuses on lots of counter strikes with slashing motions. That's where I think the blade shape of the Yojimbo 2 (bodyguard) would excel. Wharncliffe blades shapes just happen to be great for utility work.
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I think knives are a pretty terrible self-defense tool IF your main purpose is to incapacitate your attacker(s). The actual loss of consciousness or DEATH usually comes from bleeding out, and unless you hit a major artery (and even if you do), it can take several minutes or longer - an eternity in those kind of circumstances. Strong impacts to the head or neck that cause the brain to shut down work far better (or catastrophic damage such as a shotgun blast to the body/head). Biomechanical cutting is still unproven. Of course, a combination of the above would work better, and Janich might very well advocate such use but having never trained with him I cannot say.
I have yet to buy the Yo2, but it's on my list and I think either would cut and stab well enough if pressed into the self-defense role. Just don't count on it working as fast as you might hope. re: lock - I have almost as much confidence in the Compression Lock as I do in Cold Steel's Triad lock. I just don't see it unlocking unless several fairly strong steel parts experience catastrophic failure.
Re: Force to the tip, essentially humans naturally use arcing motions whether it is in punching, kicking, or in this case, cutting. So, from what I understand, the concept was to have the wharncliffe blade so that as you are slashing, the edge is at an angle such that force actually INCREASES as the blade arcs through the limb or body part in question, thus increasing the depth of the cut especially as the tip passes through and presumably increasing the damage to the limb and thus potentially disabling it by slicing through muscle/nerve/connective tissue. My quick tests on various media with a couple of wharncliffe blades replicating tests by Janich and many others have seem to prove this. This especially seems to hold true for soft media such as raw meat - while it is not a perfect test, generally wharncliffe blades will cut much deeper than the blade length with any quick slashing motion.
I have yet to buy the Yo2, but it's on my list and I think either would cut and stab well enough if pressed into the self-defense role. Just don't count on it working as fast as you might hope. re: lock - I have almost as much confidence in the Compression Lock as I do in Cold Steel's Triad lock. I just don't see it unlocking unless several fairly strong steel parts experience catastrophic failure.
Re: Force to the tip, essentially humans naturally use arcing motions whether it is in punching, kicking, or in this case, cutting. So, from what I understand, the concept was to have the wharncliffe blade so that as you are slashing, the edge is at an angle such that force actually INCREASES as the blade arcs through the limb or body part in question, thus increasing the depth of the cut especially as the tip passes through and presumably increasing the damage to the limb and thus potentially disabling it by slicing through muscle/nerve/connective tissue. My quick tests on various media with a couple of wharncliffe blades replicating tests by Janich and many others have seem to prove this. This especially seems to hold true for soft media such as raw meat - while it is not a perfect test, generally wharncliffe blades will cut much deeper than the blade length with any quick slashing motion.
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I own both. With my tactical knife training (i.e. none) I think any tactical superiority of one versus the other is a trivial issue. Both could make a devastating cut. I do see the slight advantage of the Yo2, but really it pales in consideration to such things as which fighter gets the first cut in first.
I agree with senoBDEC points that SD with a knife is complicated because of the "bleed out" factor. I would only hope that a good cut would take the fight out of an attacker and he would flee. I find the whole idea of a knife fight terrifying and hope I never, ever, ever get in one. Even "winning" one would be horrific.
I bought my Yojimbo2 and Para2 as utility knives. Admittedly, they are overbuilt for what I really need from a folder and "cool factor" was a big consideration.
I agree with senoBDEC points that SD with a knife is complicated because of the "bleed out" factor. I would only hope that a good cut would take the fight out of an attacker and he would flee. I find the whole idea of a knife fight terrifying and hope I never, ever, ever get in one. Even "winning" one would be horrific.
I bought my Yojimbo2 and Para2 as utility knives. Admittedly, they are overbuilt for what I really need from a folder and "cool factor" was a big consideration.
