Your company 401(k) program??

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Don't mean to be nosy, but most of the jobs I've been seeking offer company-contributing 401(k) plans. Some are better than others.

Whats the terms are the norm for these company programs? One company offers 25 cents per every dollar I invest, up to 5%, while others match dollar for dollar, with more restrictive guidelines.

I welcome your imput.

steve
 
I worked for one company that offered a 401k. I contributed 10% out of each check and the company on rare occations would contribute a completely random amount, a very small random amount.

They discontinued the program after a couple of years because not enough people were enrolled, and I immediately rolled the funds over into my own IRA.

I've had perhaps a dozen jobs since then, and none have offered a 401K.

-Bob
 
My company matches 1/2 of the first 6% of salary contributed w/immediate vesting -- matching funds are added per individual contribution -- so if you make enough to max it out by years end you need to do some math such that you don't miss out on matching funds...
 
My employer puts in 12% and will match me with an additional 3% to my 3% for a total of 18%
 
I have the typical 50% of the first 6%. That is the most common structure. My wife employer (it is a non profit so it is a 403b, the equivalent of 401k for non profits) matches 2 to 1 for the first 6 %.
 
401K is a great thing to have. If the company gives any sort of contribution or matching funds, that's frosting on the cake. A 401K is money that's in your name. It's your money. You have a separate account in your own name. It's part of the company's group plan, but it is a separate account within that plan and you own that account. The company can't dip into it or borrow from it. If there is a company contribution, it can't be underfunded or postponed; that money becomes yours and is in your name. If the company gets sued out of existance, that money -- your money -- can't be included in any judgement. If the company goes bankrupt, the creditors have no claim on your money (they might be able to get their hands on an unusual comapny contribution to the 401K plan; if, in the last few days before going under, the company declared a 401K super-bonus for all employees, a court might decide to take that back. But, if it's been long established that the company pays a 401K super-bonus to employees each year, then the courts may very well not allow that money to be retracted. But, either way, the only money in jeopardy is the company contribution, not your investment.) The key rules for using a 401K are two: First, never leave company matching money on the table. If the company matches fifty-cents on the dollar up to six percent, then you must invest at least six percent; always max out your company contribution (a possible exception to this occures when the company contribution is made in company stock). Second, put as much money into your 401K as you can afford.
 
One other 401K tip -- don't put all your money into the company's stock.... just ask the poor former employees of Enron...
 
My employer will match $10 every two weeks. :thumbdn: Thats better than nothing, but pretty pathetic. My wifes company matches more, I think 4%, so we have been putting more into hers.
 
I 'm pretty sure my company will match 115% up to a certain maximum but I
forget exactly what the maximum is. The matching doesn't kick in for a year and I've only been there 10 mos. so far.
 
My company offered 75% matching on the first 6%, with a maximum contribution of 16%. I was always in for the 6%, and for the last 15 years or so before retirement for 10%. If I could go back to the beginning the only thing I would do differently would be to find a way to contribute the maximum allowed. However, now retired with a 42k early retirement pension and about 1.3M in 401k and IRA's, a country boy can survive and even buy a nice knife occassionally.:D
 
I'm not licensed to offer any investment advice, but 401(k) plan adminstration was my job a few years back.


BLOT, as mentioned before put as much as you can into your 401(k) plan regardless of the amont they match. You are putting this money in on a before tax basis!!! I don't care how good you are in investing you are doing it with after-tax money.... so you are at a minimum of 28% in the hole from what Uncle Sam has already taken.... not to mention you are lowering you taxable income as a whole.
 
Mine does 1:1 on the first 3% and 0.5:1 on the next 3%, better than some in this thread, worse than others.

As tempting as it sounds, I don't think you should borrow money against your 401k. Ever.
 
Mine does 1:1 on the first 3% and 0.5:1 on the next 3%, better than some in this thread, worse than others.

As tempting as it sounds, I don't think you should borrow money against your 401k. Ever.

You are correct , for many reasons, but once again you are paying your loan back with after tax money... or losing 28% min. once again.
 
What about being vested? The last 4 jobs I have had, you had to be there X number of years to be 100% vested, meaning that if you left after X years, you could take the company match with you. If you left before that X years, you took a smaller percentage (maybe none if you were there a short time).


Smith
 
My company will match 50% of what I put in up to 15% of my salary. So if I put in 15% they will put in 50% of that or 7 1/2 %. We have a 5 year vesting schedule. After one year you are entitled to 20% of the matching funds, after two years 40%, after three years 60%, after four years 80% and after five years you are fully vested.
 
Our's was a five-year vesting schedule too. But when the program was canceled, everyone was automatically bumped to 100% and got the full amount from their account.

-Bob
 
What about being vested? The last 4 jobs I have had, you had to be there X number of years to be 100% vested, meaning that if you left after X years, you could take the company match with you. If you left before that X years, you took a smaller percentage (maybe none if you were there a short time).


Smith

Vesting only applies to money the company puts in. Your money is always yours. A 401K is a great thing to have. If the company gives any sort of contribution or matching funds, that's frosting on the cake. Don't forego the cake because you're afraid you might not get the frosting.

The other detail is called an "exclusion period." An exclusion period says that you have to be an employee for a certain amount of time, often three months, sometime a year, before you can contribute to the 401K plan. This is done by companies that have high turnover, a lot of employees who don't stay long. The exclusion keeps them from having to do the paperwork to open the 401K account and it keeps the 401K administrator from having to deal with hundreds of little accounts belonging to employees who only worked for the company for a few months and may have, in that time, accumulated only a hundred bucks or something.

Some plans also have a "forced distribution." This means that if you leave the company and you have less than some minimum balance in your 401K account (often $1000 but sometime much more), and you don't, yourself, roll that money into some other qualified plan within some period of time (often a year but sometimes quite less), then they will distribute your money to you, i.e. send you a check. This is a disaster because you will have to pay tax on that money as income AND pay a 10% penalty for early withdrawl. The tax and penalty are usually not withheld. This often happens to unemployed people who see the distribution as a windfall and spend it. Then, when tax-time comes, they get caught with a big bill. If you're in a 401K plan and you terminate with the company for any reason, ask if there's a forced distribution and, if so, how long you have. Don't forget that you can roll 401K money into an IRA with no tax consequences and it's not hard to find an investment firm that will open an IRA for $1000 or so minimum deposit.

The exclusion and the forced distribution are done because the company has to pay the 401K administrator a service fee which is based, in part, on how many accounts are in the plan so employeers don't want to have to keep paying for former employees forever. And 401K administrators don't want to have to keep sending statments every quarter, etc., for accounts which are only worth a few bucks.
 
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