Your favorite type of lock?

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I know that, at least for me, the type of lock used on a knife makes a big impact on whether or not I decide to buy the knife. I wanted to know how many of you feel the same way, and which locks you prefer over others, if you have much of a preference.

Myself, I think the compression lock is one of the best things to happen to knives in a long time. Strong, stable, smooth-opening, extremely difficult to inadvertently close, and, in the case of the Salsa, a slight curved bevel to the tang's shelf allows the lock to adjust itself for wear automatically. And, the piece that goes between the tang and stop pin is usually narrow enough that bending it is almost impossible without damaging other parts of the knife, unlike a linerlock, which takes its pressure from the end and along it's entire length, giving more length in which the metal can fail.

Lockbacks are also high on my list. Again, very strong, but with time they can develop some blade play. None of mine have been abused to that point yet, though. The only major problem I've had with lockbacks is that, to open the lock, you have to overcome all the force that holds the lock closed. Thus, the stronger the lock, the harder you have to press to close it, which means that smoothness and ridigity of the lock have to be balanced. Spyderco tends to lean in favor of lock strength instead of smoothness when designing lockbacks, and in most cases that's not a bad thing. The Boye dent helps make accidentally opening the lock more difficult, but it also makes the knife harder to close, especially on a new knife, where the lock pin hasn't worn down a lot, and therefore you have to push the bottom of the dent below the scales of the knife. The may I hold most of my knives (thumb on the spine), my hand position gives even more strength to the lock by holding it closed. In reverse position, the knife can be accidentally opened quite easily, even with the dent.

Liner locks are my least favorite. Yes, they're smooth, but even when done correctly (as is the case with Spyderco), they look too flimsy to trust. Also, they're usually placed such that a finger would be over the lock release when the knife is held. If the knife were to rotate just slightly in the hand during an impact, the rotation would open the lock. Even without a hard impact, holding the knife white-knuckled sometimes produces enough pressure to open the lock. Blade play is an issue as the knife wears over time as well. Its one saving grace is that should the lock break, the liner will bend and jam the blade open so it can't possibly close on the fingers. However, you then have a knife you can't close to put in the box and send back for repairs. If a lockback fails, the blade WILL close on your fingers, since the only thing keeping it from rotating at all is the pressure of what's left of the spine on the tang, which, without the pin, isn't much.
 
Those are some interesting points you make there.
My favourite type of lock would have to be the AXIS lock from Benchmade. However my choice is not just because of the strength etc.
You see I suffer from the curse of knife collecting that is being LEFT HANDED! Now while this is not a problem if your purchasing custom knifes, when it comes to choosing a factory knife it can be severly limiting. Thankfully more manufacturers are releasing ambidexterous locking systems.
I intend to purchase a Spyderco Salsa to try out the Compression lock and see how it is for left handed use. :D But until I do try it I would have to say that the Axis lock is most definately my personel favorite.

p.s. I mean no disrespect to any knife company who doesn't make left hand products and I fully appreciate that the market just isn't there (I just wish they would make left hand friendly knives: the clip can be put on either side and if any grip material is used e.g. Kraton, that is also put on both sides of the handle. As with most lefthanded people I can work the liner type lock perfectly well if not better than a left handed version liner lock)

As I said before this is just my personal opinion and no disrespect meant to anyone.
:D
 
SMAT; you'll find the Spyderco compression lock in all the regular Spydie knives to be perfect for the left hand..WHY? because then its mirror image of mine and fits PERFECTLY in ones left hand..
Thats a joke between Sal and me..ROFL>.
I think all the compression locks, besides mine that is..are all left handed locks..
THe GUNTING compression lock is mirror image of all other Spyderco compression locks..
to make a Left Handed Gunting with compression lock it needs to be mirror image..
BUT it works in either hand no matter how one looks @ it..
and yes I wish we had some left handed Guntings....
but as to the compression lock
Its my favorite lock..
one cannot accidentally enage it..
its really simple and strong..no cams. nosprings, no bells no whistles
its got a radiused ramp,,,a strong, hardened anvil pin...
and it works...

bram
 
Interesting... I think the compression lock as it is on the Salsa actually works well for us righties. Depending on how you want to hold the knife to close it, you can either push the tab to the left with your thumb, or pinch the tab and left side scale between the thumb and index finger to flick it closed.

It's something that you have to get used to, but since the lock release is on the spine of the knife, unlike a linerlock, it is useable by southpaws as well as righties.
 
Here we go in order..

1) Mar~McBurnette front lock
2) Liner lock
3) Compression lock
4) Integral frame lock
5) Twist lock (well, Spyderco doesn't make this)
6) Phantom lock (kids love this! :D)
7) Hard Rock :p

Sam
 
Definitely the lockback on my Chinook.:D It sounds so cool to lock open, I end up playing with it every time I carry it.
 
Axis lock is my fave. For myself, it's the most-proven of the ultra-strong, ultra-reliable formats. I also love the frame lock. I think the frame lock is about on par with the axis lock, but don't always love the contraints this lock puts on the knife format. One clever way around the design-contraint problem for frame locks, is Elishewitz's bolster lock. I haven't tested one out, but it's a great idea. I believe that one day I will include the compression lock among this list. It has the smoothness advantage of a liner lock; but unlike a liner lock, it appears to be reliable like a frame lock; but unlike a frame lock, it does not severely constrain the knife design. The one on my Vesuvius is great, but I'd like to test this lock is a harder-use knife before I come to any conclusions.

The lockback is a classic. It is far and away the best lock format for inexpensive knives. A talented maker can also make this lock format suitable for harder use knives, like the Chinook and the Pack River folder.

The liner lock is my least favorite lock. While it has a lot of nice attributes, it is simply too difficult to consistently reproduce in a reliable manner, and as a result no lock format has as many reliability problems as this one. I consider it suitable for light-use gents' knives, and nothing more.

Joe
 
Even though I am a Spyderholic, I must agree with Joe, the access lock is great. If the reliability was that significant with liner locks there would not be that many out there, but one lock has to have the highest failure rate. Just remember no lock is no good. RR
 
My very favorite is the full tang fixed blade!

After that, I like the frame lock and then the axis lock, then the lockback and whatever else there is with the linerlock being last. I do not yet own a compression lock so I a cannot comment from experience. One advantage of the axis lock over the frame lock is that itis truly ambidextrous. The frame lock, however, is not only strong but easy to flush out/clean after dirty work. Besides all of the other weaknesses and problems with the linerlock is that for dirty tasks it has a nice place between the operating liner and the handle for dirt to pack in and render the knife inoperable (can't close) until cleared.
 
i think the bm axis lock is the best, smooth and strong, and a definite plus since it's truly ambi, i dislike liner locks the most, no matter which way you look at it it just doesn't look too strong, and of course the basic lockback is great too
 
I'm going to go with the Reeve style integral lock as my all time fave. I really enjoy the compression lock but I have yet to find one that doesn't have verticle blade play.
Matt
 
Hmm... If a compression lock knife has vertical blade play, there's something wrong with it. The tang ramp where the compression tab goes is ground in a radiused fashion (part of a circle), so even with wear, the tab will always contact the ramp. If yours has blade play, something wasn't ground right. Send it back to Spyderco. It'll be a warranty repair, so you're only out about $10 for shipping round trip, and you'll get to see the compression lock as it's meant to be.
 
well im gonna go against all of the other opinions here and say the liner lock is one of my favorites (although not my top pick).

1. integral lock -if i had it my way, EVERY folder would have this (well if i really had it my way, theyd all be fixed blades)

2. Liner Lock -easy to use, ussually allows for dissasembly of the knife, and can be adjusted for wear

3. compression lock -a little hard to close one hand at first, but still an excellent design

i hate lockbacks, because almost all of them develop play (although none of my spyderco lockbacks have yet) and all the other axis, rolling, or whatever locks have to many parts to be reliable
 
I also have a compression lock (a salsa) that has vertical play. It had it right out of the box. It seems strong, but I can feel a little jiggle.

I have owned a number of knives with different types of locks. I can honestly say that the only folding knife that I have owned that has shown consistent lockup all the time (including axis locks, lockbacks, hidden locks, linerlocks, compression locks, side locks, etc.) has been the Sebenza Frame Lock.

I really like Spydies also, own a ton of them and appreciate the originality of many of their models.

But, that has been my experience..

For better or worse.

:)
 
Being ambi, I have the advantage or being able to use nearly everything out there!

1: Axis> only for ease of leftie use
2: Reeve style Frame> love how solid the sebbie I handled was
3: Liner> Sal & Co do it best...
4: Lockback> think Chinook... *Shunk!* there goes another shell....
5: Phantom> In the words of Will Smith in Independance Day: "Damn! I <i>Gotta</i> get me one o' dees"
6: Compression> still a bit hard to use... give me time

As I said, I like using my left side... Axis is by far the easiest, but lockback is next for leftie.
The compression hasn't bit me yet after about 10mins of handling in-store, but I haven't tried it leftie.
 
The "nested" Compression Locks on my Gunting, Vesuvius, and Li'l Temperance all close very easily when I push them to the left with my right index finger. Otherwise, the lock stays securely locked, holding the blade open and without any play whatsoever. I love the lock. My only niggling reservation might be the tendancy to pinch my hand a tiny bit if I am not careful when I open it, and that is a very minor niggle.
 
Probably I’m risking to repeat what I have said numerous times but also this discussion about different lock formats is nothing new...

Each locking device have its advantages and drawbacks, it also was discussed countless amount of times. However all lock formats have one common feature – each lock is mechanism and it can fail this or another way. Depending on particular construction the failure can differ in probability and way it occurs but it is always possible.

So my solution of this problem is - rely on common sense more than on mechanism, use your knife safely and properly, cut with edge. In this case even slip-joint folder will never let you down.
I always try to evaluate entire knife design and execution but not lock format only.

BTW. Although the locking folder as itself is much, much older than American knife industry it became popular during last two decades or so. The absolutely biggest part of my life I had the choice between slip-joint folder and fixed blade. But I have all my fingers in complete and the only knife I have managed to break was exactly fixed blade.
 
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