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Jim G.

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Part 1​
THE AFTERMATH​
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A high cat 3/low cat 4 hurricane has just annihilated the area they live. They are on high ground so have experienced no flooding, but areas within 10 miles of them were completely wiped out in flood waters and high winds. Their home and all the homes in the area are pretty much demolished. Their whole house generator is useless. City water is contaminated. All the shelters are overflowing. They are prepared- or so they think and decide to shelter in place with loved ones and a few other hearty souls. Figure it will be 3 to 6 months before power and basic services are back up and running. Security may be an issue in the future but for now everyone is in help mode, digging people out and doing what they can.

Part 2​
THE BEGINNING​

They were smart; they knew something like this would eventually happen and they planned for it. Here is what you started with;
  • 1- 40 x 48 secure underground shelter, wired to run on generator below as a last resort. This shelter is 12 in concrete all the way around. It has a full working bathroom. The well comes into this area, and has a filter system that removes all contaminants and kills all microorganisms. There is a washing machine, a dryer, and a refrigerator. Also lights and plugs.
  • 1- 8,000 watt gas generator holds 6 gals and runs 9.5 hours per tank at ½ load and cables for hook ups as needed.
  • 1- Full 200 gal fuel tank of gas
  • 4- 55 gal water barrels full and treated
  • 30- 5 gal collapsible water jugs empty
  • 4- 12 gauge shotguns
  • 2- 9MM semi auto pistols
  • 2- 45 semi auto pistols
  • 4- 38 revolvers
  • 4- 22 semi auto pistols
  • 2- 30-30 rifles
  • 2- 308 rifles
  • 4- 22 rifles
  • 2- 30.06 rifles
  • Cast iron cookware and other pots and utensils to cook full meals for 20 people
  • Metal place settings for 20 to include plate, bowl, cup and silverware
  • Enough different Busse and Rat knives to do most any chores

Let’s see how smart these people really were, they want you to stock the above shelter with EVERYTHING it needs to make surviving the aftermath listed above.
There will be 12 people inhabiting the shelter pre-storm. There will be as many as 24 post storm. Post storm additions will all be adults. One is a doctor, all adults are advanced first aid and CPR or EMT trained. 6 are adults, 3 are young teens, 3 are small children. Oh and did I forget to mention there are 4 dogs also. All the people will be bringing with them is clothes and what ever medicines they personally need.


Part 3​
THE CHALLENGE​
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You have a budget of 10,000 US dollars to completely outfit this shelter to meet the scenario in part 1 for these people. Everything from ammunition to Zippo’s for 24 people for at least 90 days. They are your friends so you are doing it at cost. These people will be active during this time so take that into consideration when planning food. Please list items, quantities, and their prices and explain how you got there. This will take a while for people to do, but if you really work on it and we all post our answers and then discuss them, we can come away with a lot better knowledge of our strengths and weaknesses and realistic post disaster planning based on our preps. Everyone will probably forget something, but if when everyone is done we discuss them and combine the best of all of them we will have a lot better list of essentials than any posted up on any site I have seen so far.

Jim
Oh yes I almost forgot, add a section on how you would manage the shelter, generator usage sleeping arrangements, and such if it was your shelter.
 
Blah, blah, blah. Rip off shirt, strap on guns, pose in front of mirror. Read another sci fi survival book while eating cheetos. Pretend to live in a bunker.

I think these threads are bunk. Play along if you like. I won't be back to read this kind of us vs. them junk.

Only 26 guns?
 
Micky said:
They were smart; they knew something like this would eventually happen and they planned for it.
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If they were that smart, why didn't they spend their money on moving someplace safer, instead of buying all the guns and planning to live in a disaster area??? :rolleyes:
 
One is a doctor, all adults are advanced first aid and CPR or EMT trained.
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Now THAT is a fantasy.

I'd kill all but the hot chicks, butcher the larger, tender humans for jerky, and wear war paint, while demanding the women live naked.
 
OK. This doesn't take much thinking. The parameters are unworkable for so many reasons.
1. first problem I see is that there is no ventilation - you'll need massive ventilation for 20-24 peeps plus dogs
2. the stove will need to run full time to feed 24 people, as will the reefer, washer, and dryer, hot water heater, and shower
3. to support #2, the generator will have to run at full or near full blast 24/7 and will be out of fuel <= 3 days if it doesn't break down first (spare parts?)
4. at 1 gallon per day per person, the water will run out <10 days
5. with 3 teens and who knows how many females overall, a one-bathroom plan will never work, not even for one day during an F5 tornado

I vote for Robert H's plan. It's the only way I can see to keep it on time and in budget. Also, I would kill all but one or two of the hot chicks too. A man's got to know his limitations...
 
Robert H said:
I'd kill all but the hot chicks, butcher the larger, tender humans for jerky, and wear war paint, while demanding the women live naked.
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I'm with Robert on this one.:D

LittleHairyApe said:
I vote for Robert H's plan. It's the only way I can see to keep it on time and in budget. Also, I would kill all but one or two of the hot chicks too. A man's got to know his limitations...
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I disagree good sir. No one shall limit my sexy time.;)
 
It is not a fantacy situation, it is based on a cat 3 or 4 moving through my area, which is mid to eastern Long Island. Try evacuating this place. The guns are based on what my family already owns and stores in a gun safe.

The room is a dream right now, but a smaller version, 36 by 30 are on the plans for under the garage we are building at our new house. There was no stove mentioned. Just because appliances are there dosn't mean you needed to use them. Fuel and generator set was taken from what I have now as is the well.

As far as one being a doctor and the rest of the adults being trained. I based this on my family as it was easy to relate and figure what the starting paramiters would be. My sister is a doctor, the rest of us are all either advanced first aid/cpr certified or emts. As far as no ventelation, are you planning to be in lock down the whole time? That dosn't even make sence. And if so add some ventelation using some of the money.

Now to the big question why wouldn't they just leave before the storm. In my brothers and my case and my sisters, I guess we could if we were willing to look for new jobs when we came back. Not everyone has the option of leaving. In a real situation given enough advanced notice we would have evacuated the kids to a relative outside the area, in our case then the additional people would be LEO's and/or firefighters. In the above situation it could of been anyone.

Basically I took a very possiable situation and added things that I knew and could quantify. Then I posted the problem and asked you all to respond to it.

And based on the answers so far it is unworkable, that is interesting.
 
Definitely getting everyone at least some amount of medical training is a biggie (all the prep in the world doesn't help if everyone is to sick or injured to take advantage of i) MRE's and for primary foods as well as some canned food (to supply needed flora to the digestives system) All the guns are unnec. issue everybody 1-12 guage shotgun this will save money You will only need ammo for 1 type of fire arm and if they start to malfunction you can match together parts to make to fix at least 1 this will also give everyone the ability to take small and large game and defend themselves and the compund (without having alot of marksman ship training) couple of multi tools and some knives'd be handy. perhaps a couple of bildge pumps, Some emergency communication system (radio) so no-one accidentaly shoots the rescue party. (perhaps a video game system or a portable dvd player) (Being trapped with 12 people in a little space is a recipie for disaster with out some sort of entertainmnet) usual tools (for maintenace) hammers/prybars/shovels/tarps etc. lots of first aid equipment. and perhaps a zodiak raft for getting the really sick or injured across the flood waters to a hospital......oh yeah and toilet paper.
 
It's nice to see people contemplating these scenarios. Anyone asking the "Why didn't they move?" question apparently isn't familiar with the conditions and economics within these communities. Anyhow, it is nice to know the possibilities of gene pool washout. Almost as reassuring as owning firearms and surplus food.
 
I plan for 3days - 7days for my family. Any more and you are in serious shit and needed to have relocated to a better local.

As for taking on stragglers, they should have been prepared and since so many are not where do you draw the line? Before you know it you are going to have a revival meeting sized population that will out vote you.
 
The Last Confederate said:
Put down the Jerry Ahern paperback and step away slowly........ :D
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:D :D :D :D !!!

I had a co-worker back in the 80's who was a fan of his, and read every one that came out. He loaned me a couple, but after the first two I could'nt read anymore of that riduculous stuff. The first one was bad, and it went downhill from there!

I'm surprised at the ability of pulp fictin to influence young minds.:eek:
 
Micky said:
1- 40 x 48 secure underground shelter, wired to run on generator below as a last resort. This shelter is 12 in concrete all the way around.
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This looks like a recipe for disaster. How do you plan to defend a shelter that you are sealed up in? What is to keep someone from taking over your house while you are "safe within" and barricading your exit and cutting off your power and air? Then it is just a waiting game for them. All your planning and work for someone else.
 
magneto said:
This looks like a recipe for disaster. How do you plan to defend a shelter that you are sealed up in? What is to keep someone from taking over your house while you are "safe within" and barricading your exit and cutting off your power and air? Then it is just a waiting game for them. All your planning and work for someone else.
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So in your opinion, people shouldn't have storm rooms to store their supplies and to shelter in, in the case of emergencys like a storm. They should just ride it out.

I have never read Jerry Ahern, are his books any good?

To the person who said anything over 3-7 days and they would be gone, I guess you cheered all those LEO's (alot) and Firefighters ( very few), and 1st responders and support staff who abandoned their jobs in New Orleans.

Everyone is commenting about the number of guns, it is not alot by any stretch of the imagination. I know people who have 5 or 6 times that number of guns in alot more calibers.

Forget it I am locking this thread. I will try a new one that is better explained later.
 
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