Your knife design of choice

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crecy

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I'm new to the forum and have a limited knowlege of FMA as a LE DT and straight baton instructor with trickle down training originating from FMA. I also have done some knife training and have always loved edged weapons. I am a strong believer in their effectiveness since the first time I cut my self at age 4.

My question is not totally practical, rather a curisoity/learning one. What would be your blade design of choice, say under 10", for an encounter against an unarmed yet determined attacker of the NHB variety, who was big, strong, tough and determined to kill you if given the chance. Assuming no chance of retreat, what would its shape be, how would you hold it, where would you direct it, stabs? slashes? what areas? etc. I'll be interested in your ideas.
Thanks,

crecy

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A Perrin Griffe, large version. You can palm-punch, check, grab with the knife hand, and it´s very hard to disarm. Perfect in a grappling situation, but I wouldn´t want it to get that far.
Second choice would be a large Bowie type of knife, maybe from Hossom.
I´d stab or cut to the body part nearest to me as soon as the guy would try entering my weapon range, prime target being head and neck. If the guy´s coming low and fast, a stab to his spine or kidneys could be quite effective.
But realistically, I´d try to run or OC the bad guy.

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A modern bowie would be my choice. Here are a pair of exquisite examples in 8.5" and 10" blades:

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These knives provide excellent point reach, and plenty of blade mass for chopping power. Good grips and guards.

I never carry blades that big around town though. I opt for smaller, less conspicuous blades. In that size range, my preference is for something mostly double edged, and rather dagger-like, again to provide a good strong point and plenty of edge for deep cuts. Here is a perfect example of what I mean:

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My actual carry knife is turning out to be this one:

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It is about 4.5" of sharpened edge. The dropped edge acts as an excellent guard, the slightly swept point is very aggressive for poking and picking, and the handle is very secure in hammer or reverse grip, and in transitions in-between. The knife makes an excellent medium utility knife, and its pretty. Carried in a strong side, reverse grip draw position, it is fast and inconspicuous.

But if I had to face a professional MMA fighter, and I had my druthers, I would take this:

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Hi,
assuming you do some mistake and the opponent do his job well, you will find yourself in a very close range very quick. The problem with forward angled edges and duelling knife guards is they can get caught by textiles. In this range there is a good chance that the spine will become pressed against you, so no double edge also. This will be also one of few situations where a knife could be too long (manoeuvrability).
The most likely use will be cut your way out of some lever or choke by cutting biceps or inner forearm.
So my vote goes to:
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Some Knife's

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Thanks to all,

Since my retirement from LE I don't have many people to discuss these things with. I didn't realize how much I missed it!

Your willingness to engage me in dialouge is much appreciated and helpful in my ongoing development as a civilian
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Judge: Good point about the spine/kidney stab I had never thought of these targets for a low charging grappler but I can see its potential.

Steve: Thanks for sharing the knife collection. I love knives but am kind of a minamilist so I only have a couple dozen or so, but I do get to enjoy my 77 year old father's excesses, he has between 3 and 5 hundred mostly customs many many big knives (just gotta' love them) like the last one you showed, reminds me of some of Rick Dunkerly's big knives. I love your little Lynn, looks like a great everydayer, plenty of cut there.

KurtisKurt: Another point I had not heard or thought of concerning gaurds and non-cutting spines. Grappling is probably my weakest area, and therefore the biggest danger zone. Your thoughts are helpful.

Steve22595: I had read about the gunting but had not seen one thanks. The article is great. This helps me to bridge my ideas on impact weapons to edged. I have always believed that you had to physically incapacitate somehow to reliably stop an attack. Depending on pain/psychological effect is not high %age. Esp. in LE & DT. Be careful out there man.

Once again, thanks guys.



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Steve has a good point. The Gunting has a role in law enforcement, more so than I think the Civilian Arena.

Here is a nice pair of holemakers though
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crecy,

I'm sponsoring Bram in Vancouver this April if you're interested. It will be a blast. If you want, I can send you the info.

Where are you located in WA?


Don,

Is that a Hossom?


Steve

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Indeed it is! Pretty micarta, my crappy digital camera skills do not do this knife justice. The micarta and the mosaic pins are beautiful. And that is a carry piece too.
 
Don,
I like that knife a lot, just what I had in mind when I posted the qustion. I like BIG holes best, so no comment needed about the 220. Great tools.
I agree with your gist on the role of the gunting ala your other post on "street smarts." As I have gotten older I am less idealistic, you're right the system will "damn you if you do, and the BuGs will damn you if you don't". It's a sliding scale you have to make some decisions about. LE responsibilities push you towards one side. Otherwise it's about family and survival. Thanks for your thoughts.




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Steve,
I'm an eastener, I live near Spokane, but I'd like to hear about the seminar.....you never know.
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I happen to like the spear point/drop point design but a nice cord wrapped tanto can work.

I like the Keating Crossada but budgetwise the Busse Basic #5 and possibly the SOG Recondo. The CS Desperado and La Griffe can work, I think if the fighter is a pressure fighter, not a stalker who picks his shots and then closes the distance.
 
WOW!

After all the crap I have had to endure at the hands of some cretin, finally something productive and interesting like a marriage proposal!
 
Well,....actually I'm planning a divorce before hand. I figure I can either get a SIG or a Hossom out of the deal.
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Absolutely shameless and self-centered! I like that in a person.

Here's my Wife's neat Tactical Tupperware and Hossom Custom.

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My WKC U.S. Marshal is a blade I'm loving more and more by the day. I have one with a sharpened false edge, and would like to get Newt to grind a couple more for me in D2 and 154CM when I have the cash to spare--I should probably get a couple of the standard single-edge models as well sometime...

Heh, can you TELL I really like this knife?
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The Hossom and Lynn knives are very NICE!
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Don,

You and your wife both know how to accessorize your wardrobe. I'm impressed.
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I've had my eye on a Hossom blade for some time. I want to check out his stuff in Atlanta this year.

My favorite fixed blades are by Al Polkowski.

Steve
 
Steve,

Well, I had a Glock M17 9mm and the SigSauer when we started dating and she wanted to learn how to shoot. I took her to the range and she really loved the Glock so when we went back out in the showroom, she wrote a check for her own Glock. I was like, "Hmm...interesting, thinks for herself..." I did not goad her into it, believe it or not. She is not from a city but a small town in mid-State Illinois so she tends to look at things a bit differently.

After a few years, I sold my Glock M17 to the local gunshop, she is shooting the Sig P220 and now she wants to eventually trade her Glock in on a Sig P220.

No problem with me at all. God bless her.
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As a matter of fact, when we move to a State that has "Shall-Issue" CCW, I'll probably buy another P220 for myself as I believe the standard tactical drone of, "the fastest reload is a second gun." And, I like to keep caliber and magazines the same in that event as well.
 
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