ZDP-189 Lansky 2000 or Sharpmaker Triangle?

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Temper

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For those of you with ZDP and specifically those of you with one of the new William Henry, what would you recommend to touch up the edge with? I have a customer that thinks his WH is not sharp enough, but from the sounds of it has little experience sharpening. I have suggested the Triangle Sharpmaker but have conceded that the 2000 grit super sapphire Lansky stone may work as well and for less cost, if he was to just buy the clamp rod and single hone.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?
 
I'd go with the Sharpmaker. No clamps needed, no oil, less mess. If he doesn't have a good edge to start with a 2000 grit stone isn't going to do him much good.
 
To tell the truth I'm not convinced that it isnt sharp. I have looked at the others I have in stock and they are all like razors. I fear he is comparing it to a box cutter for slicing ability and is probably shocked that a very expensive knife is not cutting like a $1 disposable, as he isnt taking the thickness of the blade into consideration and the only medium he is using it on is paper and card.

I have used a #2000 on S30V after a #600 diamond stone and it polished it up in no time. I think he will be OK as I am quite sure the blade edge isnt that bad, it may not be optimum but I am doubtful that he has blunted it in the short time he has had it. What I am fearful of is a complete novice with a multi hundred dollar knife and a zeal to get it as sharp as possibe with no experience.
 
Might be easier to have him send it back to WH for them to resharpen, for the peace of mind. The ZDP-189 is going to hold an edge for quite a long time in an office setting between sharpenings, so it shouldn't be too problematic unless WH has some crazy turnaround time at the moment.
 
Temper said:
I think he will be OK as I am quite sure the blade edge isnt that bad, it may not be optimum but I am doubtful that he has blunted it in the short time he has had it. What I am fearful of is a complete novice with a multi hundred dollar knife and a zeal to get it as sharp as possibe with no experience.
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Also keep in mind the Lansky may not match the edge's angle that was set by the factory so he maybe just polishing the shoulder of the edge and not the edge itself. What you could do is charge him to sharpen it yourself with a Lanksy, setting the edge to match one of the Lansky's angles, and then showing him how to keep it touched up with the finer stone. I find it a whole lot easier to make a few passes on the Sharpmaker's ultra fine rods for this purpose though.
 
Sharpmaker for sure, most people favor it, so if you don't know why exactly you'd favor the Lansky, you're safe with the Sharpmaker...
unless you go waterstones, or non-freehand options :-)
t.
 
I have the Caly Jr ZDP. Love it. The bevel looks like less than 40 degrees. I assume I should sharpen this puppy at 30 degrees on the Sharpmaker. What do you think?
 
bell said:
I have the Caly Jr ZDP. Love it. The bevel looks like less than 40 degrees. I assume I should sharpen this puppy at 30 degrees on the Sharpmaker. What do you think?
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They've said that it's even less than 30 degrees. That means you should be able to establish a micro bevel on the finest rods at 30 degrees.

Alternatively you could micro bevel it at 40 and when the micro bevel gets too big you could bring it back down to 30. Or you could freehand it and make it even thinner.
 
Just got it from the horses mouth so to speak. The WH are sharpened to about 18 deg.

What are the options for the Sharpmaker?
 
Ryan8 said:
They've said that it's even less than 30 degrees. That means you should be able to establish a micro bevel on the finest rods at 30 degrees.

Alternatively you could micro bevel it at 40 and when the micro bevel gets too big you could bring it back down to 30. Or you could freehand it and make it even thinner.
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I have checked the calyjr zdp (crude measurements). It get about 28 inclusive from the factory (14 per side), so 30 on the sharpmaker will work just fine.
 
Will the Sharpmaker sharpen it?

We had that thread where we found that the Vandium carbides in S90V were too hard for the alumina ceramic rods of the Sharpmaker. The ZDP-189 in the Calypso Jr. is at 64Rc, right? I hope it works alright.
 
The Sharpmaker will do a fine job on the WH ZDP-189. I have used it several times on my WH Quest and it works like a champ!
 
abnwag, what angle do you sharpen at and how bad was the edge before you sharpened for the first time and how long did it take?

Cheers
 
Temper, the edge wasn't too bad before my first sharpening. I was cutting ALOT of boxes and when it wouldn't shave at all any more (but could still cut into callus fairly easily). I use the 30 degree slot on the sharpmaker using the fine rods and then strop it. It really didn't take long to get the edge back to hair-popping sharp, maybe five minutes total. I did have to apply more pressure then normal on the rods for the first few strokes. I am pleased with the edge holding and ease of sharpening of ZDP-189.
 
Hey thanks for the info I really appreciate it. I haven't used a Sharpmaker, only the Lansky so I couldnt offer a good suggestion other than to parrot the praise of the Sharpmakers ease of use and performance. Now that I have some solid 'gen' I will push this over the Lansky.
 
WadeF said:
What you could do is charge him to sharpen it yourself with a Lanksy, setting the edge to match one of the Lansky's angles, and then showing him how to keep it touched up with the finer stone. I find it a whole lot easier to make a few passes on the Sharpmaker's ultra fine rods for this purpose though.
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Wade, sorry for seemingly ignoring this, I must slow down when I read things :)

I am really reluctant to do this as all the blame would fall in my lap if it isnt perfect. Plus, he is on the other side of the country. He really seems to be looking for the cheap solution. Hopefully I can convince him to get the Sharpmaker.
 
Temper said:
He really seems to be looking for the cheap solution. Hopefully I can convince him to get the Sharpmaker.
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He is willing to spend the money for a ZDP WH but too cheap to buy a Sharpmaker??? :eek: Boy, those are the worst. Pinching the penny at the wrong end. He must be a manager of a big corporation :barf: !

Anyways, just yesterday I touched up my ZDP Caly on the sharpmaker and it works just fine. Gave it a few loving passes on a CrO loaded strop after that, and, jup, its sharp alright!
 
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