Zero Tolerance Knives - what's up?

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I handled a couple at the grand opening of a "tactical" store here in town. I was pretty damn impressed. I'm not sure some of them are very practical for every day carry because of their size, but the flipper Ti frame locks were pretty impressive. I especially like the Hinderer model. But, I'm confused about the fact that there's so many sales of almost new ZT knives in the exchange? It makes me wonder if the ZTs make a great first impression but the owners are having second thoughts for some reason. Or was there a sale that I missed out on and everyone is cashing in by reselling them?
 
I have a ZT 0300 born in January 09. I carried it for about a year from when I bought, and It is still my main medium locker. The coating has worn off a bit, but it has zero blade play. The only issue I had with it is that the torsion bar broke a couple months after I bought it, however Kershaw sent me a new one and an extra clip for free. People are probably selling them for more fashionable framelocks, however I am convinced the ZT 0300 is stronger than a strider or a sebenza.
 
Sometimes a knife isn't for you. You hear about all the new innovations, the progress and tech, and you think you're gonna like it but it isn't. It's with everything, honestly. There are people who love their Nissan Frontier to death, and I would say they're crazy for not getting a Tacoma.

That's usually why there are the recent sales after a debut of a knife or any product.
 
Yep, no matter how good a knife is, it just may not click with you. I've decided that my main issue with them is that I just don't like Kershaw aesthetics. I seriously haven't found even one of their knives that really calls out to me. They're great knives, and the quality was evident in the 3 that I tried. But I just couldn't get myself to carry them. Gave them each a week in pocket, they barely got used, and then I didn't want to carry them again. Didn't help that the best of the knives (the 350), I got about the same time as I got an HTM and a sprint run Spyderco Manix 2.

The more collecting (and designing, for that matter) that I do, the more I realize that I have very specific tastes. I like curves, I like drop points, I like clean and elegant lines. Kershaw/ZT just doesn't seem to cut it for me for some reason.
 
Sometimes a knife isn't for you. You hear about all the new innovations, the progress and tech, and you think you're gonna like it but it isn't. It's with everything, honestly. There are people who love their Nissan Frontier to death, and I would say they're crazy for not getting a Tacoma.

That's usually why there are the recent sales after a debut of a knife or any product.

Yep, no matter how good a knife is, it just may not click with you. I've decided that my main issue with them is that I just don't like Kershaw aesthetics. I seriously haven't found even one of their knives that really calls out to me. They're great knives, and the quality was evident in the 3 that I tried. But I just couldn't get myself to carry them. Gave them each a week in pocket, they barely got used, and then I didn't want to carry them again. Didn't help that the best of the knives (the 350), I got about the same time as I got an HTM and a sprint run Spyderco Manix 2.

The more collecting (and designing, for that matter) that I do, the more I realize that I have very specific tastes. I like curves, I like drop points, I like clean and elegant lines. Kershaw/ZT just doesn't seem to cut it for me for some reason.
Well said, gentlemen. Just to add to that a little, especially with some of the less recent ZT models like the 0200 and 0300, I'm sure a lot of people, even though they had read the specs, didn't fully realize how big/heavy the knives were until they got them in hand/pocket.
 
I never understood what all the hoopla was about ZT knives, until I got a 0350 which was followed promptly by three other ZTs. I currently EDC my 0300 and although it is a big and heavy blade, I love the assurance it gives me while riding in my pocket. I carry a SAK Recruit for smaller cutting chores but the ZT is there if needed.

...........however I am convinced the ZT 0300 is stronger than a strider or a sebenza.

IMO, I believe this as well. I've never handled a strider, nor am I interested in doing so, and I love my Large Regular Sebenza but I am confident that the 0300 is tougher than either of these two knives.

As for the exchange, I think some people are trying to make a little extra cash due to the fact that the 0560 is a little scarce right now. I plan on getting one after all the excitement is over with since it is going to be a regular production model anyway and not a limited edition.
 
I agree. It seems like all I hear about on these forums sometimes is ZT this and ZT that. Its on everybody's wishlist and top 10's. But I've personaly never liked any of the knives.
I certainly appreciate the "idea" behind the knives. But aesthetically and practically, I don't like them.
 
They are knives built to appeal to a specific group of the knife buying community. They aren't marketing these knives to people that carry slip joints. I would think this would be pretty obvious. IMHO they are doing a great job with their products. With all the combinations of designs and materials out there...I think buying what YOU like is a good idea especially when everyone else is doing just that regardless of whether or not you "get it."
 
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I have the ZT 0301, 0551, and 0560, and they are pretty much my standard rotation now. A bit beefy, but that's what I like. I think a lot are being sold now because the 0560/0561 just came out so there is a lot of activity on them. Some of my other knives will get sold, but not the ZT's. However, no prodcut appeals to everyone, like others have said.
 
I have a few ZT's, and I can tell you that they are all beasts. Very strong, very well made knives. I just wanted to comment about the part you were questioning about them being sold on the exchange alot. First off, you're probably talking about the 056x models, and they are being sold so much recently for people to just make a quick dollar. They are in high demand and low supply at the moment. Secondly, look at the exchange...ALL knives are being sold there. You see Hinderers, CRK, etc. All knives get sold, not all knives click with a person. It's not just ZT knives. You may be seeing them a lot, but that just lets you know how popular the ZT's are. :D
 
But I've personaly never liked any of the knives.
I certainly appreciate the "idea" behind the knives. But aesthetically and practically, I don't like them.
What idea is that?

Aesthetically and practically, we've taken designs from some of the best in the business (RJ, KO, Hinderer, Galyean, Strider) and applied them with top end materials, 3-D machining, USA production, updated technology, and offer a variety of locks. There are manuals, fixed blades, AO's, flippers. ZT has won multiple awards including last years Collaboration of the Year (0560) and Overall Knife of the Year (upcoming 0777). Additionally there have been some monster LE's.

While the brand is still quite young, and the width of the line some what limited (today), we will continue to offer modern designs, hot blade steel, lot's and lot's of titanium, more carbon fiber. There will be over built beasts to more pocket friendly speedsters. Truthfully, the best is yet to come.

I guess there will be folks that don't like the brand, but IMO I'm not sure why.
 
I think some of it is people buying 2 or more and selling one off to defray the cost a bit. Some it may also be a matter of anticipation/expectation. People were VERY excited for the 0550/0560 and when things build to a certain point, it can be easy to have a little disappointment when the product finally arrives. You can easily make something into more than it is. If purchase something thinking it's perfection any minor flaw, real, imagined or just in personal preference, is magnified hugely. Personally, I want an 0560, but I try to keep in mind that it's just a knife. A beautiful design, great materials and very cool technology make it possible, but still just a knife.
 
I love them. Started with a 350, then onward to a 550. Recently scored a 200 from the exchange: big, beefy folder with a sharp edge and enough heft to give me confidence that just about anything I encounter will be an easy task. I grew up with a Buck 110, so the extra weight doesn't bother me.
 
I have a ZT0550 that I carry frequently, and a 0777 on pre-order. I absolutely love my 0550, and it takes more pocket time than 90% of my other knives.
 
What idea is that?

Aesthetically and practically, we've taken designs from some of the best in the business (RJ, KO, Hinderer, Galyean, Strider) and applied them with top end materials, 3-D machining, USA production, updated technology, and offer a variety of locks. There are manuals, fixed blades, AO's, flippers. ZT has won multiple awards including last years Collaboration of the Year (0560) and Overall Knife of the Year (upcoming 0777). Additionally there have been some monster LE's.

I guess there will be folks that don't like the brand, but IMO I'm not sure why.

As one of those folks that may never carry a Kershaw/ZT, I will say that I also won't hesitate to recommend them to others. There's no denying the quality, or the value. It's never been any one thing about Kershaw designs that turns me off. It's just that I have yet to find even a single design that really calls to me. The ones that have come closest have all had one little thing that I just didn't like about it. For the RAM, it was the blade shape. For the Blackout, it was the intersection between blade and handle. I like sweeping continuous lines (something Spyderco does very well, for instance). For the ZT0350, it was the overall blockiness, and the angle of the flipper. For others, it's just that they're so tactical looking. I like a tactical folder, but I don't want it to scream mall-ninja, and to my eye, some designs definitely do. FWIW, I also don't like the looks of Strider or Hinderer. Sometimes I feel I'm missing out, but there's just something about the look that doesn't appeal to me. The ZT 560 comes very close, but I don't like the angle of the flipper. I prefer the flipper angle of the 550, but the 550 has too much of a blocky look to it. There's so many that just come so close, but don't quite make it, and from the 350, I realized that I really have to like everything about a knife to want to carry it, or else it has to blow me away with it's performance.

I'm very picky though. Having handled an Umnumzaan and a Sebenza, I'm sure I probably will never own or carry one of those either. There's just no way one would kick my HTM out of my pocket. And those are fantastic knives.

So for me, my dislike (if you want to call it that), isn't really. It's just personal pickiness. I know there's nothing wrong with the knives in general. They just don't suit me, and for often different reasons. They're great products, and I'm sure sooner or later there will be one that I will end up owning again. In fact, the reputation of the brand is so stellar that I bought the knives I mentioned just so I could give Kershaw a try. They were great knives, but really helped me understand that I have to love a knife and want it really badly for it to be worth the buy. No matter how good it is, if I don't like something about it, I won't ever carry it. And I don't do safe queens.
 
I can appreciate the knives, well built, great f&f, and the materials are all wither fan favorites or something new to test which is quite cool, but if i need a beefy knife, I have several fixed blades at the ready. Obviously carrying a sheath on belt or neck isnt for everyone and if they want a hunk of steel in pocket well thatll do quite nicely as well.

That said my JYD II is as beefy a folder as ill ever need
 
They are knives specifically built to appeal to specific group of the knife buying community. They aren't marketing these knives to people that carry slip joints. I would think this would be pretty obvious. IMHO they are doing a great job with their products. With all the combinations of designs and materials out there...I think buying what YOU like is a good idea especially when everyone else is doing just that regardless of whether or not you "get it."

Can I get an Amen? ;)
 
Regarding the OP's question about the "new" ZT knives being sold on the exchange.
It's a new model hitting the streets.
The vendors offered "pre-orders" at the vendors' normal(and appropriate) prices.
Then, some of the people who bought these pre-ordered knives decided to re-sell them at gouging price levels, because the production is not ramped up to market demand levels yet.

That's why they are out there on the exchange at $100 more than they should cost.
 
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