Zinc Coating for Grinder?

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I recently bought a Brodbeck grinder and need to paint it. I recently met someone who owns a shop that does zinc coatings. I explained my grinder and showed a picture and asked if he thought zinc coating would be a good option. He thought it would be great and would be more durable in paint. He said it they can do black, green and another color (I think he said clear but can't remember).

I am not familiar with zinc coatings at all. Does anyone who has experience with zinc coatings have thoughts on coating my grinder this way?

Thanks in advance!
 
If you are talking about powder coating, it will work, but is probably overkill.

In Zinc Powder coating, first, the metal is coated with zinc. Then a polyester powder coating is applied over the zinc.
Regular powder coating is just one layer of epoxy or poly based powder coated and baked on the metal.

Most grinders will not need the anti-corrosive zinc layer to protect them.

Also, make sure that all mating and sliding surfaces must still fit and move - toll arm slots, tracking mechanisms, tension arms, etc. Some of tese areas must be taped off or otherwise protected so they still work after the powder is baked.
 
Seems like more of a hassle than it would be worth IMO, but I don't see a reason not to. Lots of guys with Brodbecks leave them unpainted with no issues. I painted mine, and I would suggest at least assembling the basic components before painting or powdercoating, because the parts that connect like a jigsaw puzzle are a very tight tolerance and might need encouraging with a rubber mallet even without a coating.
Edit: powdercoat is usually used in things needing high durability, but a grinder just sits there and gathers a lot of grinding dust. It would certainly be more resilient on the parts of the grinder that pivot and have metal on metal contact, but even powdercoat will eventually give out there. The other areas that are metal to metal are the tooling arms and slot, but that's aluminum anyway so it won't matter. Unless you're getting a sweet price hookup from your guy and want a way for your grinder to stand out, I would stick with a rattle can personally.
 
There are different types of zinc coating, if that someone does that with electroplating, its like those in Atlas Knife Company Atlas Knife Company recently posted. I would say its good choice for grinder, if cost is reasonable. No rust and more finished looks.

Then there are zinc hot dip, that is really durable against corrosion but definitive overkill for use like this.
 
Thank you all for the responses! I didn’t realize that powdercoating involved zinc coating as well. They never used the word powdercoat so I didn’t even consider that as what they might’ve been talking about. After going to their website, here’s a description of their coatings.

“We offer Hexavalent and Trivalent chromates. Hexavalent chromates (olive drab, black and yellow) provide a high corrosion protection. Trivalent chromates (no chrome) are provided to meet RoHS compliance. The Trivalent chromates we offer are black, yellow, and clear. With a sealer, they can meet the same specifications as Hexavalent chromates.”

How do you guys think this would do compared to a spray painted finish?
 
Zinc hot dip is a different thing than baked on powder coating.

Fun story:
When I worked as a chemist at Virginia Chemicals one of our plant units was the "Vir-dust" plant. Many Virginia Chemicals products start with Vir or Va
(anyone remember Vapona? See footnote).
Virdust was used for applying a zinc coating to metals with the aid of metallic sodium. The sodium was melted and sprayed as a fine mist in a chamber of nitrogen ( It would explode if done in air). The solidified fine particles fall into the hopper where they are tumbled with super-fine zinc dust. All this is done under pure nitrogen. The zinc coats the sodium making it unreactive to air. The virdust was packed into barrels and used in a coating process similar to galvanizing, but with a much stronger bond to the metal.

OK, now to the fun part - The sodium was shipped in 55 gallon removable top drums is 2 pound blocks. The drums were filled with mineral oil. This kept the sodium form bursting into flame by exposure to air. Sodium is the second most reactive metal, with potassium the most reactive. When a barrel was empty, there was always some sodium sludge or smashed blocks in the bottom. When working during the winter, it was dark by 5, so at the end of the day we would take these "dregs" out wearing rubber gloves, mold it into balls. and throw them out on the river. Sodium is lighter than water, so it would skip around on the surface as a ball of fire. With ten or so running around on the water, it was eerie in the dark. It looked like something from a science fiction movie. Eventually, the Coast Guard figured out who was causing the "Strange Lights" seen over the river and told us to cut it out.

Footnote:
Vapona was a product packaged by Virginia Chemicals. It was a mixture of kepone and Malathion, use in different concentrations by professional exterminators and the Military. They purchased the kepone from Allied Chemical/Life Sciences.
Super powerful stuff on crawling bugs and termites, and it stayed active in the soil for decades. Problem was that kepone was a really bad chemical. Life Sciences had its plant near Richmond, VA where from the mid 1960's to the late 1970's the contaminated waste water from the manufacture was discharged in the James River. Once the bad effects on humans and animals were discovered, the plant was shut down, but the damage was done. The heavier than water kepone contaminated the river bottom for decades, and ended the famous Virginia oyster, fish, and crab industry. The seafood industry has returned to safe long since, but has never been the same. Virginia oysters used to be considered the best in the world. They are still good ( had a dozen or so last night), but once a reputation is soiled it never really gets clean again.

Vapona is still made and sold today by Bayer Animal Healthcare, It is supposedly a different formula, similar to RAID, and is for flying insects around and on animals ( cattle and horses). I think Bayer probably bought the chemical manufacturing part of VAChem when the company broke up. The product was popular, so they kept the name.
VAChem also packaged a form of vapona with 1% kepone mixed wit 99% DEET. This was supposedly a safe level of kepone. The testing said it was safe, but the military did the tests, so who knows how safe it really was. The same military labs tested Agent Orange and said it was OK, too.
It was used for the military in Vietnam as a fly/mosquito/lice spray on the soldiers. The soldiers would cover themselves and their clothes with it, and it lasted for weeks. It became a popular cattle and livestock spray afterwards. This is what the current vapona is used for, but the formula is supposedly completely different.
I bet there are many Vietnam vets on the forum who remember those green spray cans that were handed out by the dozens.
 
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Zinc hot dip is a different thing than baked on powder coating.

Fun story:
When I worked as a chemist at Virginia Chemicals one of our plant units was the "Vir-dust" plant. Many Virginia Chemicals products start with Vir or Va
(anyone remember Vapona? See footnote).
Virdust was used for applying a zinc coating to metals with the aid of metallic sodium. The sodium was melted and sprayed as a fine mist in a chamber of nitrogen ( It would explode if done in air). The solidified fine particles fall into the hopper where they are tumbled with super-fine zinc dust. All this is done under pure nitrogen. The zinc coats the sodium making it unreactive to air. The virdust was packed into barrels and used in a coating process similar to galvanizing, but with a much stronger bond to the metal.

OK, now to the fun part - The sodium was shipped in 55 gallon removable top drums is 2 pound blocks. The drums were filled with mineral oil. This kept the sodium form bursting into flame by exposure to air. Sodium is the second most reactive metal, with lithium the most reactive. When a barrel was empty, there was always some sodium sludge or smashed blocks in the bottom. When working during the winter, it was dark by 5, so at the end of the day we would take these "dregs" out wearing rubber gloves, mold it into balls. and throw them out on the river. Sodium is lighter than water, so it would skip around on the surface as a ball of fire. With ten or so running around on the water, it was eerie in the dark. It looked like something from a science fiction movie. Eventually, the Coast Guard figured out who was causing the "Strange Lights" seen over the river and told us to cut it out.

Footnote:
Vapona was a product packaged by Virginia Chemicals. It was a mixture of kepone and Malathion, use in different concentrations by professional exterminators and the Military. They purchased the kepone from Allied Chemical/Life Sciences.
Super powerful stuff on crawling bugs and termites, and it stayed active in the soil for decades. Problem was that kepone was a really bad chemical. Life Sciences had its plant near Richmond, VA where from the mid 1960's to the late 1970's the contaminated waste water from the manufacture was discharged in the James River. Once the bad effects on humans and animals were discovered, the plant was shut down, but the damage was done. The heavier than water kepone contaminated the river bottom for decades, and ended the famous Virginia oyster, fish, and crab industry. The seafood industry has returned to safe long since, but has never been the same. Virginia oysters used to be considered the best in the world. They are still good ( had a dozen or so last night), but once a reputation is soiled it never really gets clean again.

Vapona is still made and sold today by Bayer Animal Healthcare, It is supposedly a different formula, similar to RAID, and is for flying insects around and on animals ( cattle and horses). I think Bayer probably bought the chemical manufacturing part of VAChem when the company broke up. The product was popular, so they kept the name.
VAChem also packaged a form of vapona with 1% kepone mixed wit 99% DEET. This was supposedly a safe level of kepone. The testing said it was safe, but the military did the tests, so who knows how safe it really was. The same military labs tested Agent Orange and said it was OK, too.
It was used for the military in Vietnam as a fly/mosquito/lice spray on the soldiers. The soldiers would cover themselves and their clothes with it, and it lasted for weeks. It became a popular cattle and livestock spray afterwards. This is what the current vapona is used for, but the formula is supposedly completely different.
I bet there are many Vietnam vets on the forum who remember those green spray cans that were handed out by the dozens.
One small correction, for alkali metals, reactivity with moisture increases going down the periodic table. So potassium is more reactive than sodium which is more reactive than lithium.
 
bonus- it'll keep your grinder from getting a sunburn
 
This works last 50 years .Why you simple not use that ? Half hour work ?
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Benjamin Moore’s new Corotech COMMAND is supposed to be very good on metal surfaces. I haven’t used it yet but seems like a really good product you could paint in yourself.
 
One small correction, for alkali metals, reactivity with moisture increases going down the periodic table. So potassium is more reactive than sodium which is more reactive than lithium.

You are correct. It is the strength of the electrons in the outer shell (valence) that has to do with reactivity. K is more reactive than Na, then LI. I fixed the error.
 
Thanks for all of the comments. Stacy, I especially enjoyed the anecdote from the past.

I still don’t feel like I know if the zinc coating would be better than paint. I guess I just need to get it painted so I can get to using it
 
Hard baked on ceramic coatings for guns and knives like cerokote

Spray and bake at home.

I'd love to try that even on the toolbar inside and out.
 
Thanks for all of the comments. Stacy, I especially enjoyed the anecdote from the past.

I still don’t feel like I know if the zinc coating would be better than paint. I guess I just need to get it painted so I can get to using it
Why not hard chrome ? That way grinder should outlive all of us 😴
 
Chrome - go for it!!!

A zinc coating is not needed fore a grinder. A regular powder coat or just a good epoxy paint will be all that is needed. Even a coat of spray paint will work.
 
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